For all the anti-gun folks....

[BurnKU]

Here are some examples of saved lives. I was going to copy and paste but it was way too long.

http://www.healylaw.com/self-def.htm

[kjoe]

I am pretty much on the other side of this issue. That is a damned impressive post on your part.

[JK]

Those stories are mightily impressive...

The question looms, however, do the positives outweigh the negatives?

You need to provide the negative instances as well, to get a true feel for the overall effect.

[Reggie Cleveland]

So this is 1,000 cases over about a decade?

I wonder, during that same time, how many:

1. People were murdered with handguns

2. People committed suicide with a handy handguns

3. Kids killed themselves or each other with daddy's handgun

4. Handguns were stolen

And so on.

[King]

Originally posted by ReggieCleveland@Mar 2 2004, 08:21 PM
So this is 1,000 cases over about a decade?

I wonder, during that same time, how many:

1. People were murdered with handguns

2. People committed suicide with a handy handguns

3. Kids killed themselves or each other with daddy's handgun

4. Handguns were stolen

And so on.

How many crimes are contemplated but never committed because potential criminals fear the possibility of armed self-defense.

Those statistics don't show up either, Reg.

[lazydaze]

Originally posted by ReggieCleveland@Mar 2 2004, 08:21 PM
So this is 1,000 cases over about a decade?

I wonder, during that same time, how many:

1. People were murdered with handguns

2. People committed suicide with a handy handguns

3. Kids killed themselves or each other with daddy's handgun

4. Handguns were stolen

And so on.

I also wonder how many:

1. People were murdered with cars

2. People committed suicide with handy belts

3. Kids killed themselves in family swimming pools

4. cars were stolen

and so on.

[Reggie Cleveland]

How many crimes are contemplated but never committed because potential criminals fear the possibility of armed self-defense.

Oh, I'd guess maybe....seven.

I also wonder how many:

1. People were murdered with cars

2. People committed suicide with handy belts

3. Kids killed themselves in family swimming pools

4. cars were stolen

and so on.

Sophistry, my fine conservative brother.

[lazydaze]

Why is that Reg.

How is that fallacious?

[Razzy]

I agree with Reggie on the issue of guns. It is the one time in my life that I have stooped low enough to agree with him.

But since I agree with him, I am probably completely wrong on how I feel about this issue. But still right on every other issue, since I disagree with Reggie in all of them...

[Iowa_Card]

Originally posted by Razzy@Mar 2 2004, 08:31 PM
I agree with Reggie on the issue of guns. It is the one time in my life that I have stooped low enough to agree with him.

But since I agree with him, I am probably completely wrong on how I feel about this issue. But still right on every other issue, since I disagree with Reggie in all of them...

What?

[Reggie Cleveland]

1. People were murdered with cars

People "murdered" with cars is probably under 100. People murdered with handguns is likely over 10,000.

2. People committed suicide with handy belts

Some, but probably a small percentage of people (most likely teenagers) who offed themselves because at the crucial moment a gun was right there in the drawer. Or someone shot his or her spouse in a drunken rage, although that probably goes under 1.

3. Kids killed themselves in family swimming pools

Well, guess you can look at it two ways: You can have a swimming pool in your backyard, which might be dangerous under some circumstances, or you can have a gun in your house, which would be dangerous under pretty much any circumstances. Kids, like anyone else, get killed in accidents. You don't have to provide them the means to have accidents, too.

4. cars were stolen

I suspect that the number of cars stolen and then used to rob or kill someone is pretty small.

You're equating any death or accident with gun deaths or accidents. No can do.

[King]

Originally posted by ReggieCleveland@Mar 2 2004, 08:28 PM

Sophistry, my fine conservative brother.

I think Reg is being sarcastic, lazy.

[Reggie Cleveland]

No, Reg is not. Reg is as anti-gun as any wild-assed liberal.

However, unlike wild-assed liberals, Reg knows a lost cause when he sees one, so he doesn't spend a whole lot of time arguing this topic.

[lazydaze]

Awful lot of assuming and suspecting in those arguments.


Who is using Sophistry?


A gun is like anything else. It is a tool. It has many different uses. Some more inherently dangerous than others.

It all boils back to personal responsibility.

Either you have it or you don't.

How do you legislate against that effectively?

[BurnKU]

Originally posted by ReggieCleveland@Mar 2 2004, 08:35 PM

People "murdered" with cars is probably under 100. People murdered with handguns is likely over 10,000.

By who, criminals? They are carrying guns anyway. How many people are murdered by permit holders?

It's funny you never hear about stories of people with permits to carry handguns getting in any trouble with them. It's always the people that already have them illegally.