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    Cardinals overlooked?
    Yes, the Cardinals still play in the National League Central. "No one even mentions us," says Matt Morris.
    "To be honest," says Walt Jocketty, "we like it this way."

    "This is still a very good team," says Jason Isringhausen. "If a few things break right, we'll be right back in it again."

    The NL Central is definitely a two-tiered society, with the three Haves, and three Have Nots that are below the poverty line. But while the Cubs are going to cross the $90 million plateau, the Cardinals think they -- as well as Houston -- can stay in the race. And Isringhausen is one of the reasons everyone seems so optimistic before the games begin.

    "This is the best I've been in the first couple of months in three years," says the Cardinals' closer, who can dominate when healthy. "I absolutely feel as if I'm in for the whole year."

    "Missing him those first couple of months killed us," says Jocketty. When Izzy was able to pitch, he was 22-for-25 in save opportunities, had a 2.40 ERA and 41 strikeouts in 42 innings. But when he wasn't, they had to get saves from eight different relievers. With Steve Kline and Ray King from the left side, Cal Eldred, Kiko Calero, Julian Tavares and perhaps Alan Benes from the right, Tony La Russa could have a deep bullpen.

    The second reason for optimism is Chris Carpenter, who three years ago threw 215 innings and was a notch above Roy Halladay on the Toronto pecking order before going through two years of arm hell. "I originally had the operation in September 2002, then pushed it too fast and had another to scrape out scar tissue," says the former Jays' No. 1 draft pick. "It's been so long, I'm cautious about being too optimistic. People here are very positive. I keep hearing how I'm a big key. I hope so."

    To Morris and Woody Williams, Jocketty thinks of it as adding Carpenter and Jeff Suppan, two 200-inning horses, as well as Jason Marquis, who is trying to get back to being the power pitcher who showed so much promise in Atlanta. If that's the rotation, then they will have Danny Haren, Adam Wainright (the key to the Braves deal) and promising lefty Chris Narveson in Memphis. "This is potentially as much depth as we've ever had," says Jocketty.

    With Albert Pujols playing first, the Cardinals' biggest question is left field, where LaRussa and hitting coach Mitchell Page are closely watching the group of John Mabry, Ray Lankford, Greg Vaughn and Mark Quinn. This is a time-will-tell-if-they-need-to-deal thing, or just wait until Bernie Williams is healthy and Brian Cashman has to pay someone to take Kenny Lofton.

    "This is a very good team, a lot better than people think, and we'll prove it," says Kline. For now, they are the underdogs, the best role to have.

    In the Nomar Garciaparra section of the article, Gammons says the Cardinals are "optimistic" about reaching a deal with Renteria, whatever that means.

  • #2
    I"d never thought I'd say this, but I feel a 'bit' better aboot this team...

    Not enough to think they'll win the division, however, but better than I did in December...

    "Can't buy what I want because it's free...
    Can't buy what I want because it's free..."
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    • #3
      I think I am pretty excited to see how this all plays out. I thought I would be in some ridiculous panic mode when the day came again that the Cards weren't picked to be #1 in the division. Even if we don't win as much as I like, there are some things to look forward to ... like the younger pitchers.

      To me, the best things about baseball are the surprises. The people who succeed who weren't supposed to succeed.

      I think the most fun team in recent memory was the 2002 Angels.

      Oh yeah, and watching a Pujols at bat is fun sometimes (okay, more often than not...well, okay, most to all of the time) too.
      Sometimes elections have positive consequences!

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      • #4
        I would love it if the Yankees paid the Cardinals to take Kenny Lofton. I was fully in favor of the Cardinals signing him in the offseason (until the Yankees decided to give him more money than anyone else in all of baseball would have).

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        • #5
          Juan Gonzalez's luggage arrived at his hotel ahead of him, all 22 suitcases worth.

          "Can't buy what I want because it's free...
          Can't buy what I want because it's free..."
          -- Pearl Jam, from the single Corduroy

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          • #6
            Originally posted by devaskar@Feb 29 2004, 04:47 PM
            I would love it if the Yankees paid the Cardinals to take Kenny Lofton. I was fully in favor of the Cardinals signing him in the offseason (until the Yankees decided to give him more money than anyone else in all of baseball would have).
            I thought Williams was going to DH and Lofton would play center. So is Gammons suggesting that Williams would return to center, Lofton would be dumped, and someone else would be acquired to DH?

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            • #7
              I really don't care how bad the Cardinals are, I am excited for baseball.

              It will give us something to talk about and something to watch each night.

              Plus, there is always BBTN.
              When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night."

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              • #8
                I think a lot of people @ the Lounge have written these guys off...me, included. While I still dont think we will win the division...if Carpenter is recovered as can have the old mojo back, Woddy stays healthy (???), Matty does his thing and Suppand/Marquis perform to expectations...we could do much better that I (or most think)...

                However...it will all be how durable our pitching is...it will be a "grind"...but, one never knows...who thought the Marlins would win!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by cardinalgirl@Feb 29 2004, 04:46 PM
                  I think I am pretty excited to see how this all plays out. I thought I would be in some ridiculous panic mode when the day came again that the Cards weren't picked to be #1 in the division. Even if we don't win as much as I like, there are some things to look forward to ... like the younger pitchers.

                  I think there might be some advantage to not being picked # 1 CG.

                  Perhaps the Cardinals will be better with lower expectations.

                  We still have Dave Duncan....so I'm not worried.
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                  • #10


                    I will be less worried when we don't have Dave Duncan...

                    But no matter, I can't wait for baseball.

                    Do you think that Izzy would throw that new pitch on the practice fields so I can see it close up (if I ask him nicely)? hee hee.
                    Sometimes elections have positive consequences!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cardinalgirl@Mar 1 2004, 09:00 AM


                      I will be less worried when we don't have Dave Duncan...

                      But no matter, I can't wait for baseball.

                      Do you think that Izzy would throw that new pitch on the practice fields so I can see it close up (if I ask him nicely)? hee hee.
                      I'll await your apologies when the season ends for this cruel remark about my main man Dunc.

                      This is the year he rights the ship CG.

                      It would be a lot easier if we had some decent catching.
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                      • #12
                        I do have to say that our starting catcher is looking good again this year.



                        (I forgot that you were sponsoring Duncan...hee hee)
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Indu WangZi@Feb 29 2004, 07:17 PM
                          if Carpenter is recovered as can have the old mojo back
                          That's just it, Indu.

                          I'm not sure Carpenter ever *had* the "mojo."

                          He was always a promising pitcher with the Blue Jays, and they expected good things from him. ESPN often talked about the young 3 of the Jays. Halliday was included, but I don't recall the third right now.

                          In fact, Carpenter was originally touted as better than Halliday.

                          Sure, the injury hurt, but he was about a .500 pitcher PRIOR to the injur(ies).

                          Now, the Cards are acting as if he's a #1 or #2.

                          He might be -- and I hope he is -- but there is nothing in his MLB experience to show that he's capable of doing that.
                          When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cardinalgirl@Feb 29 2004, 04:46 PM
                            I think the most fun team in recent memory was the 2002 Angels.

                            Wrong. Marlins last year. AND they beat the Cubs.

                            Two things:

                            1. Why would the Yanks sign Lofton to a couple year deal this offseason and then trade him? What the hell is Gammons talking about?

                            2. Carpenter can't be counted on like he is a 1 or 2. I expect, if he's healthy, he will have some games where his stuff is absolutely devastating. And then some games where he won't be able to find the plate.

                            Lots of positive stuff, in the paper and on radio, about Alan Benes. Is this to be believed?

                            If Lankford ends up in left field and hitting leadoff, I will cry. And I haven't cried since I last saw a dog fall over, so this is obviously a big deal to me.
                            I'm always right.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kaiser@Mar 1 2004, 09:28 AM
                              If Lankford ends up in left field and hitting leadoff, I will cry. And I haven't cried since I last saw a dog fall over, so this is obviously a big deal to me.
                              Kaiser, did it fall over, or did you push it?
                              I agree with Davhaf.....Kaiser March 9,2004

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