NL and AL: LVP, Marquis Award

[kah]

The Marquis Award, fyi, is given to the worst pitcher in baseball.

Notes for eligibility: contestants for the LVP must have enough plate appearances to have qualified for the batting title. Starting pitchers must have enough innings to have qualified for the ERA title. Relief pitchers...harder to define a standard, so let's just say players who have been in the bigs for all or most of this year.

Nominations?

[jhanke]

Marquis Award should go to the entire Cards bullpen.

LVP not sure

[Tazlaz]

That's really not fair that you make Marquis Award elgibility based on innings pitched. To suck that bad typically means you're pulled early and, despite enough starts, don't have enough innings. You're almost saying they're too sucky to qualify. Exhibit A:

Carlos Silva, 28 starts, 153.1ip, 4-15, 6.46 ERA, 1.60 WHIP, 69 K, 32 BB

To me, that is worse than Nate Robertson, 28 starts (31g) 7-11, 6.35 ERA, 1.66 WHIP, 108 K, 68 BB, but Robertson is qualified.

[Blues Fan in TX]

Barry Zito.

/thread

[Ty Shula]

Izzy

[Bleacher Creature]

Barry Zito.

/thread

He actually had a decent second half.

Ryan Franklin was pretty crappy.

[Blues Fan in TX]

He actually had a decent second half.

Ryan Franklin was pretty crappy.

He has pitched very well the last 6 weeks or so. Which just points out further exactly how horrendous he was the first half of the season.

[Lippa]

Homer Bailey made 8 of the most horrific starts a person could possibly make.

[Jack Daniels]

The guy who whiffed 200 times in AZ. If I were (teammate) Adam Dunn, I'd buy him a Rolex for erasing my name from such a dubious record.

[backstop]

Homer Bailey made 8 of the most horrific starts a person could possibly make.

It wasn't a good year for big-shot young pitchers overall...

Bailey
Verlander
Hughes
Buchholz
Miller
Gallardo (injury)
Morales
Adenhart
Hochevar
Liz


On the flip side of that, you've still got guys like Lincecum and Billingsley and Lester, but overall...yikes.

[kah]

That's really not fair that you make Marquis Award elgibility based on innings pitched. To suck that bad typically means you're pulled early and, despite enough starts, don't have enough innings. You're almost saying they're too sucky to qualify. Exhibit A:

Carlos Silva, 28 starts, 153.1ip, 4-15, 6.46 ERA, 1.60 WHIP, 69 K, 32 BB

To me, that is worse than Nate Robertson, 28 starts (31g) 7-11, 6.35 ERA, 1.66 WHIP, 108 K, 68 BB, but Robertson is qualified.

Okey doke. How about 125 IP for a starting pitcher and 50 IP for a relief pitcher?

[Bleacher Creature]

Mike Parisi pretty much crapped the bed in his few starts.

[kah]

Mike Parisi pretty much crapped the bed in his few starts.

See, that's what I'm looking to avoid. These awards are not for players that got a cup of coffee, got bitchslapped, and were exiled back to the minors. These are for big-league suckiness.

[Bleacher Creature]

See, that's what I'm looking to avoid. These awards are not for players that got a cup of coffee, got bitchslapped, and were exiled back to the minors. These are for big-league suckiness.

Gotcha, but his suckiness helped keep the Cards out of postseason.

[kconn]

The guy who whiffed 200 times in AZ. If I were (teammate) Adam Dunn, I'd buy him a Rolex for erasing my name from such a dubious record.

Dude managed 28 HR and 96 RBI... didn't have a great year by any stretch, but hard to call him the suckiest of them all, I think.