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  • December 31 in Iraq. The surge argument between O'reilly and Obama. The Woodward book

    December 31 in Iraq. The surge argument between O'reilly and Obama. The Woodward book---

    I see the makings of a very crucial issue. I hope it gets explored before the election---there is a lot to consider.

    Last night Bill O'reilly demanded that Obama admit he was wrong about the surge(which McCain wanted)---after Obama had already said it succeeded beyond expectations.

    It is not at all clear to me, just what happens regarding who calls the shots when the agreement under which we are operating expires on December 31st.

    and there is Bob Woodward's book. The surge worked because of our spying--on friends and enemies:



    The War Within: A Secret White House History, 2006-2008 also says the Bush Administration has run an extensive spying operation on Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, his staff and others in the Iraqi Government.
    "We know everything he says," says one of multiple sources Woodward cites about the practice in the book, which is scheduled for release on Monday.

    Overall, he writes that four factors combined to reduce the violence: the covert operations; the influx of troops; the decision by militant cleric Muqtada al-Sadr to rein in his powerful Mahdi Army; and the so-called Anbar Awakening, in which tens of thousands of Sunnis turned against al-Qaeda.
    The book is Woodward's fourth to examine the inner debates of the Bush Administration and its handling of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by kjoe View Post
    Last night Bill O'reilly demanded that Obama admit he was wrong about the surge(which McCain wanted)---after Obama had already said it succeeded beyond expectations.
    .
    Did Obama say, Sure Bill, just as soon as you admit you were wrong about the war in the first place.
    Dude. Can. Fly.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dvyyyyyy View Post
      Did Obama say, Sure Bill, just as soon as you admit you were wrong about the war in the first place.
      O'Reilly readily conceded that point. He wanted a trade of Obama admitting he was wrong on the surge---he voted against it, McCain voted for it.

      The significance of Woodward's book--as we approach the deadline of december 31st, is that the additional troops are only part of the reason things got better.

      Our spying was excellent---we targeted key figures and killed them, al sadr backed off--FOR NOW-- and we kept a close eye on maliki, who is now wanting everything from a timeline for us to get out to oil deals with China. OReilly and Obama agreed that they would go to Iraq to demand the 79 billion dollar surplus to be returned to us, since we have been spending 10 billion a month.

      Rachel Maddow is talking about this as I type with a guest---who said McCain is using the surge for political opportunism---success has a thousand fathers, failure is an orphan.
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      • #4
        You missed the point. BO was supposed to look bad.

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        • #5
          The significance of Woodwards book is nil, because noone that matters will care. Some will ignore it entirely, others will think it all of the way through and realize that,in the end, the Surge[at this time] appears to be the correct move.

          The logical extension of that may well be that BO was indeed wrong. It happens,he should have conceded the point and moved on. He's trading vote for his own certainty.
          "There is an old saying that goes 'no matter how good you are, there is always someone better.' That someone is me." - Chiun

          I require the lubrication to successfully handle some of them. *sigh*- Sunuvanun

          Matrem tuam pedicavi

          "I kinda dig Johnson" -Triggercut

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          • #6
            Originally posted by #1 Jimmy fan View Post
            You missed the point. BO was supposed to look bad.

            Which BO?
            " Look, forget the myths the media's created about the White House--the truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by blue zone View Post
              The significance of Woodwards book is nil, because noone that matters will care. Some will ignore it entirely, others will think it all of the way through and realize that,in the end, the Surge[at this time] appears to be the correct move.

              The logical extension of that may well be that BO was indeed wrong. It happens,he should have conceded the point and moved on. He's trading vote for his own certainty.
              Good post. But you have not convinced me that the book will not become a factor----Biden and Obama know they have a problem explaining the surge---this could help them. They are definitely working together on coherent answers, because they are going to be pressed on it.

              To me, it looks like Bush has contempt for Maliki, (I think there will be a regime change if McCain wins) and they know that al sadr will be back after the election, and obama's point about no political reconciliation will be vindicated.

              I hope the issue becomes what is the reality, and what is likely to happen, and what will they do. I do not see it as being simply, we won, they want us to leave, so goodbye.

              Thanks for responding--I appreciate your effort.
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              • #8
                I am tired. It is twin city days. I did four hours tonight--Crystal city was packed where I was and at the bar across the street where i am tomorrow night---they even had the street blocked off---I got 2 to 5 tomorrow at Biele street in festus and 9 to 1 tomorrow night at crystal tavern.

                gotta sleep.
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                • #9
                  Only in an Orwellian society could our press declare the relative decline in monthly death tolls in Iraq to constitute "calm" in an absolute sense.

                  Ethnic cleansing in Baghdad is completed. That is the primary reason for any decrease in violence.
                  Damn these electric sex pants!

                  26+31+34+42+44+46+64+67+82+06 = 10

                  Bring back the death penalty for corporations!

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                  • #10
                    I wanted to do a post about how many people are going to be killed on our highways because of the report that less money is available for highway and bridge infrastructure------was it 8.3 billion not available---and how much is it we spend in Iraq every month--10 billion---but I am tired---and it is showtime....
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