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  • Missiles In Poland - As if we really care about them

    What the Hell?

    Why now?


    As if losing two wars weren't bad enough.


    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...-us-deal_N.htm


    WARSAW (AP) — Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her Polish counterpart signed a deal Wednesday to build a U.S. missile defense base in Poland, an agreement that prompted an infuriated Russia to warn of a possible attack against the former Soviet satellite.
    Rice dismissed blustery comments from Russian leaders who say Warsaw's hosting of 10 U.S. interceptor missiles just 115 miles from Russia's westernmost frontier opens the country up to attack.
    Such comments "border on the bizarre frankly," Rice said, speaking to reporters traveling with her in Warsaw.
    "When you threaten Poland, you perhaps forget that it is not 1988," Rice said. "It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States. So it's probably not wise to throw these threats around."
    The deal, which Washington sought as a way of defending the U.S. and Europe from a hypothetical threat of long-distance missiles from Iran, has strained relations between Moscow and the West. Those ties were already troubled by Russia's invasion of its former Soviet neighbor, U.S. ally Georgia, earlier this month.
    FIND MORE STORIES IN: United States | Washington | Georgia | Poland | Moscow | Czech Republic | Patriots | Brussels | Eastern Europe | Warsaw | Prague | Interfax | Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski
    Speaking to reporters traveling with her, Rice said, "the Russians are losing their credibility."
    Rice and Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski signed the deal Wednesday morning.
    "It is an agreement which will help us to respond to the threats of the 21st century," she said afterward.
    Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the agreement came after tough but friendly negotiations.
    "We have achieved our main goals, which means that our country and the United States will be more secure," he said.
    After Warsaw and Washington announced the agreement on the deal last week, top Russian Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn warned that Poland is risking attack, and possibly a nuclear one, by deploying the American missile defense system, Russia's Interfax news agency reported.
    Poles have been shaken by the threats, but NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop dismissed them Tuesday as "pathetic rhetoric."
    "It is unhelpful and it leads nowhere," he told reporters at a NATO meeting in Brussels.
    On Wednesday, Russia's Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying the U.S. missile shield plans are clearly aimed at weakening Russia and that Moscow's response to their further development will go beyond diplomacy.
    Many Poles consider the agreement a form of protection at a time when Russia's invasion of Georgia has generated alarm throughout Eastern Europe. Poland is a member of the European Union and NATO, and the deal is expected to deepen its military partnership with Washington.
    Polish President Lech Kaczynski also expressed "great satisfaction" at the outcome of the long months of negotiations.
    Poland and the United States spent a year and a half negotiating, and talks recently had snagged on Poland's demands that the U.S. bolster Polish security with Patriot missiles in exchange for hosting the missile defense base.
    Washington agreed to do so last week, as Poland invoked the Georgia conflict to strengthen its case.
    The Patriots are meant to protect Poland from short-range missiles from neighbors — such as Russia.
    The U.S. already has reached an agreement with the government in Prague to place the second component of the missile defense shield — a radar tracking system — in the Czech Republic, Poland's southwestern neighbor and another formerly communist country.
    Approval is still needed the Czech and Polish parliaments.
    No date has been set for the Polish parliament to consider the agreement, but it should face no difficulties in Warsaw, where it enjoys the support of the largest opposition party as well as the government.
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    If they're in Poland, make sure that the missles are pointed the right way.....BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Johnny H View Post
      If they're in Poland, make sure that the missles are pointed the right way.....BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
      I believe the point of the missile defense base is to protect Poland from being attacked by Poland.
      If you believe in something sacrifice a hobo to it or don't bother.

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      • #4
        I've wanted to visit Poland for a long time.

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        • #5
          Medvedev: Russia to deploy missiles near Poland

          By STEVE GUTTERMAN, Associated Press Writer Steve Gutterman, Associated Press Writer – 20 mins ago

          MOSCOW – Russia will deploy missiles near NATO member Poland in response to U.S. missile defense plans, President Dmitry Medvedev said Wednesday in his first state of the nation speech.

          Medvedev also singled out the United States for criticism, casting Russia's war with Georgia in August and the global financial turmoil as consequences of aggressive, selfish U.S. policies.

          He said he hoped the next U.S. administration would act to improve relations. In a separate telegram, he congratulated Barack Obama on his election victory and said he was hoping for "constructive dialogue" with the incoming U.S. president.

          Medvedev also proposed increasing the Russian presidential term to six years from the current four, a major constitutional change that would further increase the power of the head of state and could deepen Western concern over democracy in Russia.

          The president said the Iskander missiles will be deployed to Russia's Kaliningrad region, which lies between Poland and the ex-Soviet republic of Lithuania on the Baltic Sea, but did not say how many would be used. Equipment to electronically hamper the operation of prospective U.S. missile defense facilities in Poland and the Czech Republic will be deployed, he said.

          He did not say whether the short-range Iskander missiles would be fitted with nuclear warheads and it was not clear exactly when the missiles would be deployed.

          "Mechanisms must be created to block mistaken, egoistical and sometimes simply dangerous decisions of certain members of the international community," he said shortly after starting the 85-minute speech, making it clear he was referring to the United States.

          The president said Georgia sparked the August war on its territory with what he called "barbaric aggression" against Russian-backed South Ossetia. The conflict "was, among other things, the result of the arrogant course of the American administration, which did not tolerate criticism and preferred unilateral decisions."

          Medvedev also painted Russia as a country threatened by growing Western military might.

          "From what we have seen in recent years, the creation of a missile defense system, the encirclement of Russia with military bases, the relentless expansion of NATO, we have gotten the clear impression that they are testing our strength," Medvedev said.

          He announced deployment of the short-range missiles as a military response to U.S. plans to deploy missile-defense facilities in Poland and the Czech Republic — former Soviet satellites that are now NATO members.

          Speaking just hours after Obama was declared the victor in the U.S. presidential election, Medvedev said he hoped the incoming administration will take steps to improve badly damaged U.S. ties with Russia. He suggested it is up to the U.S. — not the Kremlin — to seek to improve relations.

          "I stress that we have no problem with the American people, no inborn anti-Americanism. And we hope that our partners, the U.S. administration, will make a choice in favor of full-fledged relations with Russia," Medvedev said.

          Tension in Russian-American relations has been driven to a post-Cold War high by Moscow's war with U.S. ally Georgia.

          On the financial crisis, Medvedev said overconfidence in American dominance after the collapse of the Soviet Union "led the U.S. authorities to major mistakes in the economic sphere." The administration ignored warnings and harmed itself and others by "blowing up a money bubble to stimulate its own growth," he said.

          Medvedev said the president's tenure should be lengthened to six years to enable the government to more effectively implement reforms. He said the term of the parliament also should be extended by a year to five years, and that parliament's power must be increased by requiring the Cabinet to report to lawmakers regularly.

          The proposals were Medvedev's first major initiative to amend the constitution since he was elected in March to succeed his longtime mentor Vladimir Putin.

          Putin, who is now prime minister and has not ruled out a return to the Kremlin in the future, has favored increasing the presidential term.
          Here's your 'manufactured' foreign policy test, Barack!

          Moon

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Moon Man View Post
            Here's your 'manufactured' foreign policy test, Barack!

            Moon

            He'll do fine if Bush doesn't f it up before he gets in.
            Turning the other cheek is better than burying the other body.

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            • #7
              You work for the post, Schwa?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 007 View Post
                You work for the post, Schwa?
                No - I've a low level civil servant.
                Turning the other cheek is better than burying the other body.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Moon Man View Post
                  Here's your 'manufactured' foreign policy test, Barack!

                  Moon
                  Since he promised during the campaign to get rid of the unproven missile defense system, I'm sure he'll pull them out immediately.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FAR52 View Post
                    Since he promised during the campaign to get rid of the unproven missile defense system, I'm sure he'll pull them out immediately.
                    Capitulator!

                    Reggie

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Schwahalala View Post
                      He'll do fine if Bush doesn't f it up before he gets in.
                      What's there to fuck up? Plans to put the missile defense system in Poland have been in place for years. The fact that we are doing it is just the finalization of those plans. Not sure why Russia would have a problem with NATO deploying defensive systems.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Moon Man View Post
                        Capitulator!

                        Reggie
                        It really will be interesting to see how Obama handles it.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FAR52 View Post
                          Since he promised during the campaign to get rid of the unproven missile defense system, I'm sure he'll pull them out immediately.
                          Hope so!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kah View Post
                            Hope so!
                            Me too. It always makes me feel good when we cave in to the Ruskies.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by FAR52 View Post
                              Me too. It always makes me feel good when we cave in to the Ruskies.
                              It always makes me feel good when we decide to stop picking fights.
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