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    We have enough threads discussing the players and front office, so I want to take a look at the realistic possibility of the Cards getting into the playoffs:

    -Let's forget about the division. The Cubs are on pace for 99 wins, and the Cards won't come close to matching that.

    -There's a good article today on STL Today about the Wild Card prospects for each of the major contenders, but I'll just focus on the Brewers and Cards. Hopefully the teams in the East beat each other up enough so that whoever doesn't win the division is shut out of the playoffs entirely.

    -The Brewers are on pace for 92 wins, so let's just be safe and say that the Cards should win 93 to avoid a tiebreaker. With 35 games remaining, that would mean we need to go 23-12 down the stretch to get in, which is entirely possible. The schedule isn't necessarily favorable, but it's not as unfavorable as some have made it seem. Consider:

    -20 of those 35 games are at home
    -17 of the 35 games are against pure crap opponents (PIT, ATL, CIN, FLA)
    -The players should get plenty of rest in the coming weeks, including 2 days off both this week and next, and at least 1 day off every week until the last week of the season. This should allow our best position players to play every day, and the rotation depth issues shouldn't be too big of a factor (insert joke about how there is no depth, period).
    -The 2 remaining games we have against Milwaukee are at home, and we should miss Sabathia in that start.
    -We play Arizona 7 times, and we've murdered the NL West this season. They're obviously better than the SD-SF-COL suckfest, but we should at least be able to take 3 or 4 of those 7 games.
    -Milwaukee has 7 games left against the Mets and Phillies, not to mention 6 against the Cubs (including the last 3 games of the season, which is admittedly not a good thing. The Cubs will have the division easily locked up by then, and certainly don't want to see the Cards make the playoffs).
    -Ned Yost is prominently involved.

    -Now, the Brewers do have 15 games remaining against the Reds and Pirates, and a lot of home games. However, in the month since the painful 4-game sweep over the Cards, they're only 1 game over .500 against similarly awful opponents.

    I think we have a good shot, and I'm not even counting on Carp to return this season. But at least a 4-1 stretch against PIT and ATL at home is a must this week. We have to take advantage of their depleted rosters.
    Last edited by TarHeelBlues; 08-18-2008, 09:08 AM.
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    I think they'll complete the season...

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    • #3
      i don't know what will happen, but it sure is fun to be a fan, albeit a little nerve-wracking.
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      • #4
        The biggest problem the Cardinals face is the Reds or actually what used to be the Reds.

        Adam Dunn to the D'backs was a killer move for us.
        While we play Arizona 7 times - the Brewers play the Pirates 9 times - advantage Brewers.

        If Dunn can go into a funk we are cool - but he likes to hit against us - and the DBacks are also fighting for their collective lives.

        While 23 - 12 would be nice - 25 and 10 is better. We need that number - and even then the Brewers could concievably win 96 games.

        We need two things -
        To kill the D'backs - 5 out of 7
        And to have the Pirates win 5 out of 9 vs the Brewers.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by TarHeelBlues View Post
          We have enough threads discussing the players and front office, so I want to take a look at the realistic possibility of the Cards getting into the playoffs:

          -Let's forget about the division. The Cubs are on pace for 99 wins, and the Cards won't come close to matching that.

          -There's a good article today on STL Today about the Wild Card prospects for each of the major contenders, but I'll just focus on the Brewers and Cards. Hopefully the teams in the East beat each other up enough so that whoever doesn't win the division is shut out of the playoffs entirely.

          -The Brewers are on pace for 92 wins, so let's just be safe and say that the Cards should win 93 to avoid a tiebreaker. With 35 games remaining, that would mean we need to go 23-12 down the stretch to get in, which is entirely possible. The schedule isn't necessarily favorable, but it's not as unfavorable as some have made it seem. Consider:

          -20 of those 35 games are at home
          -17 of the 35 games are against pure crap opponents (PIT, ATL, CIN, FLA)
          -The players should get plenty of rest in the coming weeks, including 2 days off both this week and next, and at least 1 day off every week until the last week of the season. This should allow our best position players to play every day, and the rotation depth issues shouldn't be too big of a factor (insert joke about how there is no depth, period).
          -The 2 remaining games we have against Milwaukee are at home, and we should miss Sabathia in that start.
          -We play Arizona 7 times, and we've murdered the NL West this season. They're obviously better than the SD-SF-COL suckfest, but we should at least be able to take 3 or 4 of those 7 games.
          -Milwaukee has 7 games left against the Mets and Phillies, not to mention 6 against the Cubs (including the last 3 games of the season, which is admittedly not a good thing. The Cubs will have the division easily locked up by then, and certainly don't want to see the Cards make the playoffs).
          -Ned Yost is prominently involved.

          -Now, the Brewers do have 15 games remaining against the Reds and Pirates, and a lot of home games. However, in the month since the painful 4-game sweep over the Cards, they're only 1 game over .500 against similarly awful opponents.

          I think we have a good shot, and I'm not even counting on Carp to return this season. But at least a 4-1 stretch against PIT and ATL at home is a must this week. We have to take advantage of their depleted rosters.
          As much as it pains me to say it, we need the Cubs to keep winning, esp. against the Brewers.
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          • #6
            I find it humerous to continuosly be saying it only takes 23-12 to be safe. It took the Cardinals 34 games to get to 10-over .500 this season (22-12). In the 93 games since we are 48-45, never getting higher than 14-over.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tazlaz View Post
              I find it humerous to continuosly be saying it only takes 23-12 to be safe. It took the Cardinals 34 games to get to 10-over .500 this season (22-12). In the 93 games since we are 48-45, never getting higher than 14-over.
              A 'realistic' goal is 20-15 and hope the Brewers have a bad patch, making the 2008 Cardinals a 90 win team!!11!

              Even a .500 finish, gives this team 87 wins, which is 10 games better than, by all rights, they should be.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by sketch View Post
                A 'realistic' goal is 20-15 and hope the Brewers have a bad patch, making the 2008 Cardinals a 90 win team!!11!

                Even a .500 finish, gives this team 87 wins, which is 10 games better than, by all rights, they should be.
                Exactly. I'm not saying we cannot win the wild card. I'm simply saying if we win it it will be because we played exactly as we have the last 3 months - right around .500 with modest fluctuation and because the Brewers, or any other team, played just about the same. It will not be because we suddenly went on a 23-12 run.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tazlaz View Post
                  Exactly. I'm not saying we cannot win the wild card. I'm simply saying if we win it it will be because we played exactly as we have the last 3 months - right around .500 with modest fluctuation and because the Brewers, or any other team, played just about the same. It will not be because we suddenly went on a 23-12 run.
                  I would argue that the bullpen is somewhat better than it has been the rest of the season, but probably not enough to make a huge difference in our W/L at the end of the season.
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                  • #10
                    We just don't seem to have a team capable of reeling off a bunch of wins in a row. But we can grind out series wins. If we can keep doing that, it should be interesting.
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                    • #11
                      I would think the Cubbies would want to pound Mil all they can. I wouldnt want to face Sheets and Sabathia 5 times in a 7 game series. Although Z, Dempster and Harden for all 7 games wouldnt be bad either.

                      Need Wainwright in ASAP. Cant wait for 25 games left to throw him in.

                      The 4 games sweep vs Mil at home kills us, as does the 2 games @mil Izzy pissed away.

                      Of course if we are playing the what if game all 99 blown saves bite us in the ass.

                      The schedule makers should be fired. The fact it took til mid august to get to wrigley and all the other lame quirks, the 4 days off in the next two weeks should NEVER happen. Spread that shit out.
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                      • #12
                        If Perez can keep closing, and they're not so retarded as to put AW in the pen, our chances are as good as anyone's.

                        But gotta string together some wins, period.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jack Sparrow View Post
                          I would think the Cubbies would want to pound Mil all they can. I wouldnt want to face Sheets and Sabathia 5 times in a 7 game series. Although Z, Dempster and Harden for all 7 games wouldnt be bad either.

                          Need Wainwright in ASAP. Cant wait for 25 games left to throw him in.

                          The 4 games sweep vs Mil at home kills us, as does the 2 games @mil Izzy pissed away.

                          Of course if we are playing the what if game all 99 blown saves bite us in the ass.

                          The schedule makers should be fired. The fact it took til mid august to get to wrigley and all the other lame quirks, the 4 days off in the next two weeks should NEVER happen. Spread that shit out.

                          I was playing Poker at the Lum..... on a Friday night and watch Izzy cough up that won game in Milwaukee.

                          Haven't played Poker since.
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                          • #14
                            the cards wont go 23-12 down the stretch...
                            we just dont have the pitching.

                            wainwright - how quickly can he get back to form?
                            carp - could he be done for the year?
                            looper - been good lately, but woefully inconsistant his whole career
                            welly - he might be back to his early season form, which bodes well
                            piniero - terrible..
                            lohse - hasnt won in a month, getting hit hard early...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mcdao View Post
                              the cards wont go 23-12 down the stretch...
                              we just dont have the pitching.

                              wainwright - how quickly can he get back to form?
                              carp - could he be done for the year?
                              looper - been good lately, but woefully inconsistant his whole career
                              welly - he might be back to his early season form, which bodes well
                              piniero - terrible..
                              lohse - hasnt won in a month, getting hit hard early...
                              They don't necessarily need to go 23-12. They just need to go three games better than the Brewers do.

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