Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

And it begins...

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • And it begins...

    (07-11) 16:59 PDT LOS ANGELES (AP) --
    IndyMac Bank's assets were seized by federal regulators on Friday after the mortgage lender succumbed to the pressures of tighter credit, tumbling home prices and rising foreclosures.
    The bank is the largest regulated thrift to fail and the second largest financial institution to close in U.S. history, regulators said.
    The Office of Thrift Supervision said it transferred IndyMac's operations to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation because it did not think the lender could meet its depositors' demands.
    IndyMac customers with funds in the bank were limited to taking out money via automated teller machines over the weekend, debit card transactions or checks, regulators said.
    Other bank services, such as online banking and phone banking were scheduled to be made available on Monday.
    "This institution failed today due to a liquidity crisis," OTS Director John Reich said.
    IndyMac had $32.01 billion in assets as of March 31.
    Pasadena, Calif.-based IndyMac Bancorp Inc., the holding company for IndyMac Bank, has been struggling to raise capital as the housing slump deepens.
    A spokesman for the lender did not immediately return an e-mail request for comment.
    The banking regulator said it closed IndyMac after customers began a run on the lender following the June 26 release of a letter by Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., urging several bank regulatory agencies that they take steps to prevent IndyMac's collapse.
    In the 11 days that followed the letter's release, depositors took out more than $1.3 billion, regulators said.
    In a statement Friday, Schumer said IndyMac's failure was due to long-standing practices by the bank, not recent events.
    "If OTS had done its job as regulator and not let IndyMac's poor and loose lending practices continue, we wouldn't be where we are today," Schumer said. "Instead of pointing false fingers of blame, OTS should start doing its job to prevent future IndyMacs."
    The FDIC planned to reopen the bank on Monday as IndyMac Federal Bank, FSB.
    Deposits are insured up to $100,000 per depositor.
    As of March 31, IndyMac had total deposits of $19.06 billion.
    Some 10,000 depositors had funds in excess of the insured limit, for a total of $1 billion in potentially uninsured funds, the FDIC said.
    Customers with uninsured deposits could begin making appointments to file a claim with the FDIC on Monday. The agency said it would pay unsecured depositors an advance dividend equal to half of the uninsured amount.
    IndyMac spent the last two weeks trying to reassure customers that it was not near default.
    On Monday, IndyMac announced it had stopped accepting new loan submissions and planned to slash 3,800 jobs, or more than half of its work force — the largest employee cuts in company history.
    In the letter to shareholders, IndyMac Chairman and Chief Executive Michael W. Perry said the drastic measures were made in conjunction with banking regulators to improve the company's financial footing and "meet our mutual goal of keeping Indymac safe and sound through this crisis period."
    The plan was supposed to generate roughly $5 billion to $10 billion per year of new loans backed by government-sponsored mortgage companies, Perry said at the time.
    But the run on its deposits ultimately short-circuited the strategy, prompting regulators action Friday.
    The lender, which opened in 1985, closed its run with a string of quarterly losses.
    The company posted its first annual loss in its history last year, losing more than $614 million as it struggled through the housing slump. It posted a $184.2 million loss in the first quarter of this year and warned last month that it wouldn't return to profitability this year unless the slide in U.S. housing prices slowed.
    The housing outlook was not improving, however, and Perry warned he expected the company's second-quarter loss to be wider than its loss in the first quarter.


    Just the beginning folks - this is going to be UGLY.
    OFFICIAL LOUNGE SPONSOR OF INDEPENDENT MUSIC
    OFFICIAL LOUNGE SPONSOR OF YOUR 2019 STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ST. LOUIS BLUES!!!
    OFFICIAL LOUNGE SPONSOR OF WACHA WACHA WACHA
    OFFICIAL LOUNGE SPONSOR OF PICKS AND PROSPECTS FOR THE OAKLAND ATHLETICS

  • #2
    I think Wachovia, for this upcoming earnings report, is going to report losses in the neighborhood for 2.5B. Analysts were projecting a PROFIT.

    Woops.


    Official Lounge sponsor of Chris Pronger & Alex Pietrangelo

    Comment


    • #3
      It's a mental recession.
      OFFICIAL LOUNGE SPONSOR OF INDEPENDENT MUSIC
      OFFICIAL LOUNGE SPONSOR OF YOUR 2019 STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ST. LOUIS BLUES!!!
      OFFICIAL LOUNGE SPONSOR OF WACHA WACHA WACHA
      OFFICIAL LOUNGE SPONSOR OF PICKS AND PROSPECTS FOR THE OAKLAND ATHLETICS

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Blues Fan in SF View Post
        It's a mental recession.
        Yep.
        When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night."

        Comment


        • #5
          That sucks. However, there is still a line to buy a plasma at Circuit City....

          Comment


          • #6
            This is what should have happened to IndyMac. This is how capitalism works.

            The management team took stupid and unwarranted risks with minimal and no documentation loans. In addition, they allowed people to borrow beyond the equity in their homes. OTS is merely taking corrective action.

            Sadly, we need a couple of more to fail with no bailout merger. Then perhaps people will recapture the ability to appropriately price risk in financial transactions.

            No matter what they tell you in Grad School, there is no way to completely hedge a transaction. This is true whether buying a stock or lending money. Since you can't completely hedge, that means there is risk and it needs to be priced in to the deal.
            Adapt, Improvise, and Overcome..... The only way to live.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Cavalier79 View Post
              This is what should have happened to IndyMac. This is how capitalism works.

              The management team took stupid and unwarranted risks with minimal and no documentation loans. In addition, they allowed people to borrow beyond the equity in their homes. OTS is merely taking corrective action.

              Sadly, we need a couple of more to fail with no bailout merger. Then perhaps people will recapture the ability to appropriately price risk in financial transactions.

              No matter what they tell you in Grad School, there is no way to completely hedge a transaction. This is true whether buying a stock or lending money. Since you can't completely hedge, that means there is risk and it needs to be priced in to the deal.
              You can certainly completely hedge a deal. You just can't make money doing it. Profit is a function of risk. What we're seeing here is what happens at the boundary conditions of that function.

              Comment


              • #8
                Don't sweat it...we'll bail out the failing companies, cutting them slack we don't ordinary people, even though Cav is exactly right -- this is how capitalism works. But we've done it for the car industry, the airline industry, the insurance industry, and so on.
                On my mind: How can I shut up the singing English graduate student? How many more lossess will KU's basketball team have than its football team? How will the Rams front office screw up this year?


                Official lounge sponsor of Will Witherspoon, Russell Robinson, and all other things Jayhawk at the lounge (which ain't much).

                Comment


                • #9
                  Roh ruh... I missed this news blurb.

                  Insolvency is a mother f----r.

                  Another 3,800 people out of work... I wonder what Phill Gramm would say to them.

                  I saw a listing in LA the other day with the price reduced 38%. I'm sure it's just one of many in this mess.
                  25MM jobs in 10 years / 4% GDP Growth / Insurance for everybody / Schools flush with cash don't produce results
                  Jan 2017: 4.7% U-3, 9.2% U-6, 62.7% LFPR, 5.2% Real Wages, 2.6% GDP, 19,827 DJIA, 2,271 S&P500, $2.316/gal

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Airshark View Post
                    You can certainly completely hedge a deal. You just can't make money doing it. Profit is a function of risk. What we're seeing here is what happens at the boundary conditions of that function.
                    You are correct, you can completely hedge a deal, I was assuming a profit motive was involved.

                    I think we are getting slightly beyond the boundary. As I read through some of these multi-layered deals, I am not sure anyone truly knows the level of exposure that is present. I believe that is why Paulson and Bernancke (sp) are scared.

                    We will come through this as the market always self corrects. It is just a matter of time.
                    Adapt, Improvise, and Overcome..... The only way to live.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      This is scary.
                      Turning the other cheek is better than burying the other body.

                      Official Sport Lounge Sponsor of Rhode Island - Quincy Jones - Yadier Molina who knows no fear.
                      God is stronger and the problem knows it.

                      2017 BOTB bracket

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Schwahalala View Post
                        This is scary.
                        This is what happens over time when the leak in the dam is plugged up with bubble gum. All these short term, instant gratification, patches never correct the fundamental issues that eat away at this country. They just become distractions to the overall problem and never actually fix anything. One day the leak gets too big to just put a patch on it. Then when the real problem is exposed it is much nastier and much more expensive to fix than if it would have just been addressed properly in the beginning.

                        We kept giving away money, and giving it away, and away, and away, with virtually no regard to who, why and where it was being given. It was all good because we could keep buying shit we don't need from countries who only care about our money that they basically gave to us anyway. The next thing you know the financial system begins to crack under its own weight. Some fall into the crack, others cling to the edge and others sit firm to the side.

                        The fundamental problem as that we can't afford to continually spend more than we earn and expect to pay it back plus interest. It's especially concerning when unemployment rises, payrolls flatline and elevated levels of inflation kick in on top of the whole mess. It starts to snow ball out of control. Now we have another 3,800 people out of work - you think they're going out to eat tonight? If they do they're only going to buy some Bud Lights that'll soon be owned by a foreign company because we've pimped out the dollar so much that by now it looks like a 70 year old prostitute.

                        I'm sorry... I'll stop my whining.
                        25MM jobs in 10 years / 4% GDP Growth / Insurance for everybody / Schools flush with cash don't produce results
                        Jan 2017: 4.7% U-3, 9.2% U-6, 62.7% LFPR, 5.2% Real Wages, 2.6% GDP, 19,827 DJIA, 2,271 S&P500, $2.316/gal

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by marco View Post
                          This is what happens over time when the leak in the dam is plugged up with bubble gum. All these short term, instant gratification, patches never correct the fundamental issues that eat away at this country. They just become distractions to the overall problem and never actually fix anything. One day the leak gets too big to just put a patch on it. Then when the real problem is exposed it is much nastier and much more expensive to fix than if it would have just been addressed properly in the beginning.

                          We kept giving away money, and giving it away, and away, and away, with virtually no regard to who, why and where it was being given. It was all good because we could keep buying shit we don't need from countries who only care about our money that they basically gave to us anyway. The next thing you know the financial system begins to crack under its own weight. Some fall into the crack, others cling to the edge and others sit firm to the side.

                          The fundamental problem as that we can't afford to continually spend more than we earn and expect to pay it back plus interest. It's especially concerning when unemployment rises, payrolls flatline and elevated levels of inflation kick in on top of the whole mess. It starts to snow ball out of control. Now we have another 3,800 people out of work - you think they're going out to eat tonight? If they do they're only going to buy some Bud Lights that'll soon be owned by a foreign company because we've pimped out the dollar so much that by now it looks like a 70 year old prostitute.

                          I'm sorry... I'll stop my whining.
                          +++


                          We've done it to ourselves. Just look at how so many people think the latest and greatest cell phone/IPod/blackberry and the allthat other jive.
                          Make America Great For Once.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bleacher Creature View Post
                            +++


                            We've done it to ourselves. Just look at how so many people think the latest and greatest cell phone/IPod/blackberry and the allthat other jive.
                            It's not so much the phones and Mp3 players and all that other jive as it is the home loans individuals take out (and banks offer) and the credit card debt people are racking up. People live way beyond their means when it comes to the cars they drive and the homes they live in, etc. The phones and Mp3 players are relatively cheap for people earning an income.

                            Kids aren't taught personal finance enough in middle and high school, imo. Credit card companies get ahold of a lot of these kids on college campuses and the kids are ignorant of the ramifications and surmass a large amount of debt. I had a friend who, by the time she was 22, had a balance of around $20,000 on three or four cards. She's 31 now and I'd love to know what her financial situation is like. I'm guessing it's not too good.
                            --Official Lounge Sponsor of Coach Mike Anderson, Colby Rasmus, and Pearl Jam.
                            --Suck it cubbies.
                            --Thanks to RBB for my kick ace avatar!!** --RETIRE #51!!!

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Blues Fan in SF View Post
                              Just the beginning folks - this is going to be UGLY.
                              It's going to be PAINFUL as well.

                              A purge is coming. It is anybody's guess whether we are at the beginning of the "purging" or whether it can be held off with bandaids for another round of bubbles and weath shifting from producers to establishmentarians and opportunists.

                              But a purge is coming, of that there is no doubt. And it will be difficult to predict what things will eventually look like when it is over.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X