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  • Sources: Second opinion coming up for Carpenter

    Might be a nerve issue...joy

    Sources say Carpenter will seek second opinion from Andrews
    By Joe Strauss
    ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
    Saturday, Jun. 14 2008

    Cardinals ace Chris Carpenter will seek a second opinion from Birmingham, Ala.,
    orthopedist Dr. James Andrews on Monday regarding his problematic right elbow,
    club and industry sources confirmed Saturday.

    The club has not confirmed the findings of a Friday examination performed by
    team medical supervisor Dr. George Paletta, but a source familiar with
    Carpenter’s situation said Paletta focused on a potential nerve condition that
    could result in additional surgery to move, or transpose, a nerve located near
    Carpenter’s surgically repaired elbow.

    General manager John Mozeliak spoke Saturday to Carpenter’s agent, Bob LaMonte,
    to determine the pitcher’s choice of doctors. Carpenter opted for Andrews, one
    of several orthopedists who examined the 2005 NL Cy Young Award winner before
    he submitted to ligament transplant surgery last July 25.

    The club apparently suggested that Carpenter seek an outside opinion after
    Friday’s examination, which ruled out structural damage to the elbow or to the
    transplanted ligament.

    Four doctors, including a neurosurgeon, examined Carpenter in St. Louis on
    Friday. Results were "inconclusive" enough, according to general manager John
    Mozeliak, to warrant an additional consultation.

    Lingering uncertainty about Carpenter’s condition and treatment has caused the
    club to modify earlier projections that Carpenter could return to the rotation
    around the All-Star break.

    "That’s a tough break for him, a tough break for us," manager Tony La Russa
    said. "I’ve been saying based on the progress he’d been making that he would
    pitch before the first half was over. But the guy that’s going to take it the
    hardest is Chris. Whatever it takes to get him 100 percent, he’s got plenty of
    a great career left. I’m plenty disappointed for him and a little bit for us."

    Yet the prospect of additional surgery is not enough for the club to scrub the
    righthander’s potential return later this season.

    "If this is something they determine does not need to be moved, then he likely
    can pitch through this," Mozeliak said. "If it does have to be moved, we
    estimate it as a two to four week setback for when he might be able to return."

    If Andrews recommends a procedure, it will not be performed immediately.
    Carpenter and LaMonte are expected to meet with Mozeliak and the team’s medical
    consultants before finalizing his decision and a time for potential surgery.

    The suspected condition is common among pitchers who have required ligament
    transplant surgery. Transfer of the ulnar nerve is performed in a significant
    percentage of so-called Tommy John surgeries, but not in Carpenter’s case.

    The condition derailed what team medical and training staff considered a
    seamless progression. Carpenter threw with impressive velocity with only
    moderate effort during spring training and had continued to progress until
    experiencing what one club source called "a hiccup" last month at the team’s
    Jupiter, Fla., spring training headquarters. Carpenter resumed after a brief
    shutdown, only to endure forearm discomfort within the last two weeks. After
    another brief hiatus, Carpenter experienced more discomfort following Wednesday’
    s throw and returned to St. Louis to be seen by the medical team.

    Cardinal relievers Russ Springer and Kyle McClellan had required nerve
    transfers following elbow ligament replacement.

    Springer threw within two weeks. McClellan’s more elaborate procedure followed
    a 2005 ligament replacement. He made only three starts for Rookie League
    Johnson City in 2006 before returning last season to work 40 games, all but one
    in relief.

    Carpenter has made only one start since signing a five-year, $63.5 million
    contract extension in December 2006.

    Fellow starting pitcher Mark Mulder and Matt Clement appeared in opposite ends
    of a Saturday doubleheader for Double-A Springfield, and Mozeliak confirmed
    that Clement is in the mix to start this week should Todd Wellemeyer be bumped
    with elbow discomfort. Mulder also helped his case with a strong showing in the
    first game.

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  • #2
    I'm hoping that he just hit his funny bone really, really hard...

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    • #3
      Awesome.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by backstop View Post
        Awesome.
        ++
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        • #5
          How many of y'all really thought we'd get something from Carpenter this year?
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          "This is a heavyweight bout indeed."--John Rooney, Oct. 27, 2011

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kah View Post
            How many of y'all really thought we'd get something from Carpenter this year?
            hope is a funny thing. As much as I didn't expect anything, a setback is not fun...

            I still like this team, but would not be upset if Pujols shut it down and fixed his elbow.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by lazydaze View Post
              hope is a funny thing. As much as I didn't expect anything, a setback is not fun...

              I still like this team, but would not be upset if Pujols shut it down and fixed his elbow.
              Let's not talk about shutting things down and getting elbows fixed when the team is twelve games over .500 and leading the wild card standings.

              As for Carp, coming back barely one year after Tommy John always seemed ambitious. Possibly even unwise, considering how much more money they have tied up in his future.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by lazydaze View Post
                hope is a funny thing. As much as I didn't expect anything, a setback is not fun...

                I still like this team, but would not be upset if Pujols shut it down and fixed his elbow.
                Remember lazy, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.

                Moon

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Moon Man View Post
                  Remember lazy, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.

                  Moon
                  ghey much?
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                  • #10
                    Hope can drive a man insane.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by backstop View Post
                      Hope can drive a man insane.
                      I hear it's audacious.
                      "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."
                      --Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by backstop View Post
                        Hope can drive a man insane.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by backstop View Post
                          Hope can drive a man insane.
                          Not exactly what I was looking for but....

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                          • #14
                            I always said if he had to come back this year I hoped it would be in the pen, ala Matt Morris in 2000.
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                            "I told myself from the beginning, 'If he's going to throw a shutout, then he's going to tie,' ... he was not going to beat me today." ---Adam Wainwright, 8/11/10
                            "I was confused." ---Tim McCarver, 7/30/15

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                            • #15
                              Hope floats.
                              Dude. Can. Fly.

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