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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/200...x3pdIsehCs0NUE


    Let Democrats show they're smarter than a 1st-grader
    Wed May 28, 12:22 AM ET



    Some problems, if ignored long enough, simply go away. Unfortunately for the Democratic Party, what to do about Michigan and Florida isn't one of them.


    Party officials will gather this weekend to try to figure a way out of a political mess that began in January, when the two states broke party rules by holding their presidential primaries before Feb. 5. The states were rightly stripped of their delegates, and the fight has been on ever since.


    (Photo - Clinton rally: Michele Shornak in Troy, Mich. / Getty Images)


    The states and Sen. Hillary Clinton, who "won" both the unsanctioned primaries, now insist that this is all about democracy, respecting voters and counting every vote. Nonsense. This is about rules, and Democratic officials have a chance to send an important message this weekend that rules matter. Lest this sound harsh, bear in mind these facts:





    * Both Florida and Michigan agreed to the rules they then went ahead and broke.





    * Both states had plenty of time to stage new votes after Feb. 5 to get back into compliance with the rules. That would have been the fairest way to fix the problem and give voters the voice they deserve. But neither state could get its act together for a revote.





    * The January votes in Florida and Michigan were irreparably tainted. Major candidates pledged not to campaign in either state, and Barack Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan.


    Clinton, on the verge of elimination from the Democratic race, is desperate to parlay her "victories" in Florida and Michigan into delegates, or at least into votes that she could use to argue that she won more popular votes nationally than Obama.


    Neither election, however, was a fair representation of the voters' will. Rather than stake claims based on tainted votes, Clinton would do better to convince party superdelegates that she'd have a better chance than Obama of defeating Republican John McCain in November. That might or might not be true, but at least it would be an honest argument.


    How the Democrats resolve this mess will be important not just for 2008, but also for efforts in 2012 to prevent the sort of chaotic leapfrogging that can undermine the primary process in both parties. (Republicans, who stripped rogue states of half their delegates, saw their potential problem disappear when McCain wrapped up the GOP nomination in early March.)


    As a practical matter, Democrats want to give convention seats to delegations from Michigan and Florida, two big states that will be important in electing the new president this fall. All sorts of compromises are being floated, and it's up to the party to decide what to do. But any resolution should remind states of what every first-grader ought to know: You break the rules, you get punished.
    Make America Great For Once.

  • #2
    obama: selected, not elected? discuss

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dooz View Post
      obama: selected, not elected? discuss
      As opposed to Hillary trying to win in an under the table manner? discuss...
      Make America Great For Once.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dooz View Post
        obama: selected, not elected? discuss
        No.
        His mind is not for rent, to any god or government.
        Pointless debate is what we do here -- lvr

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        • #5
          The Democratic party should have stepped in when Hillary declared Victory in those states.

          It was strictly bush league then - Now they have the albatross pulling them down.

          They will make a ruling that will hurt both Obama and Clinton and Clinton will get the better of the deal but scream twice as loud that she was wronged.

          She was - but she agreed to it - and now wants to unagree.

          Obama will be selected dooz - no way around that - that's the process as it stands.

          The other option is to select the woman who came in second - only the Republican Supreme Court can make that happen.
          Turning the other cheek is better than burying the other body.

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          God is stronger and the problem knows it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dooz View Post
            obama: selected, not elected? discuss
            Fail.
            From this day forward, I no longer shall tinker with the machinery of death.

            For more than 20 years I have endeavored-indeed, I have struggled-along with a majority of this Court, to develop procedural & substantive rules that would lend more than the mere appearance of fairness to the death penalty endeavor.


            I feel morally and intellectually obligated simply to concede that the death penalty experiment has failed.

            The path the Court has chosen lessens us all. I dissent.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Schwahalala View Post
              They will make a ruling that will hurt both Obama and Clinton and Clinton will get the better of the deal but scream twice as loud that she was wronged.
              Committee is pretty well equal between supporters, so Obama will get what he needs from whatever agreement is reached.

              Clinton will claim in victory in that the delegates will be seated, but she will not stoke the fire that victory has been snatched from her.
              From this day forward, I no longer shall tinker with the machinery of death.

              For more than 20 years I have endeavored-indeed, I have struggled-along with a majority of this Court, to develop procedural & substantive rules that would lend more than the mere appearance of fairness to the death penalty endeavor.


              I feel morally and intellectually obligated simply to concede that the death penalty experiment has failed.

              The path the Court has chosen lessens us all. I dissent.

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              • #8
                It's hilarious how the Democrats are now disenfranchising Floridians. They should've just fired the knuckleheads who broke the rules instead of not letting those people choose a nominee.
                Former 2017 OFFICIAL SPONSOR of Braves' Fill-In Matt Adams,
                Jesus is . . .


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by drobny23 View Post
                  They should've just fired the knuckleheads who broke the rules instead of not letting those people choose a nominee.
                  How exactly would that work?
                  Damn these electric sex pants!

                  26+31+34+42+44+46+64+67+82+06 = 10

                  Bring back the death penalty for corporations!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ppg shg View Post
                    Committee is pretty well equal between supporters, so Obama will get what he needs from whatever agreement is reached.

                    Clinton will claim in victory in that the delegates will be seated, but she will not stoke the fire that victory has been snatched from her.
                    Well - I hope you are right.
                    Turning the other cheek is better than burying the other body.

                    Official Sport Lounge Sponsor of Rhode Island - Quincy Jones - Yadier Molina who knows no fear.
                    God is stronger and the problem knows it.

                    2017 BOTB bracket

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by drobny23 View Post
                      It's hilarious how the Democrats are now disenfranchising Floridians. They should've just fired the knuckleheads who broke the rules instead of not letting those people choose a nominee.
                      Looks like the House is 77-43 Republican, Senate 26-13 R and gov Christ who signed the bill moving the states primary ahead of what party rules allow is an R, still want to fire them all?
                      Damn these electric sex pants!

                      26+31+34+42+44+46+64+67+82+06 = 10

                      Bring back the death penalty for corporations!

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