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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wSZ...pointsmemo.com

    What did Neville Chamberlain do? Am I wrong---simple answer---he negotiated an agreement with Hitler---which Hitler broke the next year. Not sure where Matthews goes if he simply points that out.

    Chamberlain flew to Munich to negotiate the agreement, and received an ecstatic reception upon his return to Britain on 30 September 1938.
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  • #2
    Wow.
    Nature always sides with the hidden flaw.

    We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by kjoe View Post
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wSZ...pointsmemo.com

      What did Neville Chamberlain do? Am I wrong---simple answer---he negotiated an agreement with Hitler---which Hitler broke the next year. Not sure where Matthews goes if he simply points that out.

      Chamberlain flew to Munich to negotiate the agreement, and received an ecstatic reception upon his return to Britain on 30 September 1938.
      Chamberlain allowed Hitler to keep an ill-gotten gain. That is what he did wrong.
      Nature always sides with the hidden flaw.

      We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people.

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      • #4
        Why don't gay men know about Neville Chamberlain?
        From this day forward, I no longer shall tinker with the machinery of death.

        For more than 20 years I have endeavored-indeed, I have struggled-along with a majority of this Court, to develop procedural & substantive rules that would lend more than the mere appearance of fairness to the death penalty endeavor.


        I feel morally and intellectually obligated simply to concede that the death penalty experiment has failed.

        The path the Court has chosen lessens us all. I dissent.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kjoe View Post
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wSZ...pointsmemo.com

          What did Neville Chamberlain do? Am I wrong---simple answer---he negotiated an agreement with Hitler---which Hitler broke the next year. Not sure where Matthews goes if he simply points that out.

          Chamberlain flew to Munich to negotiate the agreement, and received an ecstatic reception upon his return to Britain on 30 September 1938.
          I never gave a lot of thought to Chamberlain's actions (and also to the actions of French PM Eduard Daladier) until I really read up on the Munich Agreement.

          To really understand just what scumbags the French and English were at Munich, you have to understand what Czechoslovakia was all about: created from a chunk of the old Austro-Hungarian empire after WWI, the Czechs were a liberal western democracy sitting sort of alone in a sea of socialist dictatorships in eastern Europe. The folks at Versailles understood that, and as such Britain and France both guaranteed the sanctity of Czechoslovakia's borders and promised to defend her against aggressors.

          Now if you can, try to find a map of central Europe from the 1930's. Look at Czechoslovakia's position on it compared to Germany. Yep, the Czechs were like a dagger aimed right at the heart of the Reich. What's more, the Czechs were hardly weak sisters out there. Thanks to the famous Skoda arms works, the Czech ground army was perhaps the best-equipped and one of the best-trained armies on the continent. Czech PM Eduard Benes built a series of nasty, nasty, fortresses in the mountains that filled the border between Czechoslovakia and Germany, too, fortresses that were heavily armed with the most effective anti-tank infantry weapons in all the world.

          Hitler realized this, and so did his generals. They knew that if they had to fight a war, that an armed and belligerent Czechoslovakia would be an impossible fortress to attack, and would be a perfect staging area for an allied counterattack into the Reich. Hitler knew his army couldn't break the mountain fortresses in northwest Czechoslovakia, all of which lay in a land called the Sudeten. What any casual WWII historian can tell you is that Hitler concocted a reason to annex the Sudeten, but few can tell you that the main reason was to take care of Fortress Czechoslovakia without having to fire a shot in anger.

          When Chamberlain and Daladier expressed alarm at Hitler's designs on The Sudeten, Hitler invited them to the Munich Conference. There, the three countries debated the future of Czechoslovakia *without allowing the Czechs to participate in the conference*. When it was over, the French and English betrayed the Czechs. They effectively renounced their protection of that country and their willingness to defend it, all in order to keep Hitler from getting cranky. With the Sudeten mountain fortresses suddenly ceded by a treaty they were never even party to, the Czechs were forced to submit; the interior of the country was a flat plain criss-crossed by some of the best-built roads in Europe, and Benes realized that defending his country was impossible with the Sudeten already breached by a treaty.

          For eight more months of peace before the onslaught of the most devastating war in modern history, the French and English sold out and betrayed the Czechs. If either country had any stones whatsoever, they'd have sent troops and materiel to the Czechs to prop up their country, and then dared Hitler to invade east into hostile Poland or impossible Czechoslovakia, or west into France, leaving himself fatally vulnerable against the east.

          In this case, Matthews' point is simple: *talking* and engaging the enemy isn't "appeasement". Giving them what they want in exchange for false promises is.
          I like cheese.

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          • #6
            That was funny, the guy didn't know what he was talking about. Sadly Bush doesn't either. Matthews is exactly right, talking to your enemies as Nixon did with China, and R.R. with Russia is not appeasement, it's dialog it's trying to work something out.
            Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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            • #7
              That guy reminded me of a young kid who's just beginning to talk, when they keep repeating the same word over and over again. Appease appease appease appease appease. Please stop appeasing us to death.
              Make America Great For Once.

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              • #8
                Trigger nailed it.

                I've always been amazed how Daladier never received the amount of criticism Chamberlain did.
                RIP Chris Jones 1971-2009
                You'll never be forgotten.

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                • #9
                  Good work Trigger. The comedian Kevin James might want to change his name.
                  Nature always sides with the hidden flaw.

                  We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people.

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                  • #10
                    That was the fucking definition of getting owned.
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                    • #11
                      The problem with negotiating with the terrorists is their demands are rooted in not just ideology but also religion. They're not really going to budge on anything, it's kind of their way or the highway, no middle ground there. Sure we could do what they want and leave them all alone in the Middle East and they'd claim victory and eventually forget about us, but where would we make up the oil and our deep rooted investment dollars? Hmmm...
                      25MM jobs in 10 years / 4% GDP Growth / Insurance for everybody / Schools flush with cash don't produce results
                      Jan 2017: 4.7% U-3, 9.2% U-6, 62.7% LFPR, 5.2% Real Wages, 2.6% GDP, 19,827 DJIA, 2,271 S&P500, $2.316/gal

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by marco View Post
                        The problem with negotiating with the terrorists is their demands are rooted in not just ideology but also religion. They're not really going to budge on anything, it's kind of their way or the highway, no middle ground there. Sure we could do what they want and leave them all alone in the Middle East and they'd claim victory and eventually forget about us, but where would we make up the oil and our deep rooted investment dollars? Hmmm...
                        Don't confuse negotiation with conversation.
                        Nature always sides with the hidden flaw.

                        We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by raise View Post
                          Don't confuse negotiation with conversation.
                          We'll leave talking to the terrorists up to you then.

                          25MM jobs in 10 years / 4% GDP Growth / Insurance for everybody / Schools flush with cash don't produce results
                          Jan 2017: 4.7% U-3, 9.2% U-6, 62.7% LFPR, 5.2% Real Wages, 2.6% GDP, 19,827 DJIA, 2,271 S&P500, $2.316/gal

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                          • #14
                            BTW, I just got a headache listening to that. Yeesh.
                            RIP Chris Jones 1971-2009
                            You'll never be forgotten.

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                            • #15
                              That was...pathetic

                              "Can't buy what I want because it's free...
                              Can't buy what I want because it's free..."
                              -- Pearl Jam, from the single Corduroy

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