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  • The 1999 Chicago Cubs.

    As excited as I am by the way the Cardinals have started, I cannot help but think on the lesson of the 1999 Chicago Cubs as a cautionary tale here.

    I was living in Chicago that year, and the Cubs were coming off a year where they'd squeaked into the playoffs in '98. The experts predicted grim tidings for them, though, when Kerry Wood blew out his elbow in the early spring and would miss the whole season. As if to confound those experts, the Cubs managed to get to a 32-23, a game out of first.

    Riggleman's Cubs had terrible secondary numbers, but guys were playing way over their heads; Kevin Tapani and Terry Mulholland had found some sort of Fountain Of Youth. Terry Adams appeared to be a serviceable closer. The team, despite Gary Gaetti hitting about .230, was winning games in the late innings on hustle and guile. The Cubs were the talk of Chicago.

    ...and then the bottom fell out. They had a 3-game set with the White Sox at Comiskey, and I remember going to two of those games and cheering lustily for the plucky "Kids Are Alright" Southsiders who managed to sweep the Cubs. From that point forward everything fell apart for the Northside Nine. Tapani crashed back to earth. Jon Lieber--who started 5-1--finished 10-11. Terry Adams remembered that he was Terry Adams, and the bullpen collapsed.

    The Cubs, 32-23 on June 6th, would go 35-72 from that point forward to finish the year in dead last with a 67-95 record. They'd win exactly 6 games of 30 played in the month of August.

    Keep that in mind watching these Go-Go Cardinals right now. This team has been a fun, fun story, but the secondary numbers are troublesome. This is a team without power on offense, and a team with a somewhat shaky bullpen. They're a team with a starting rotation dependent on Todd Wellemeyer and Braden Looper and their ability to pitch far over their heads.

    What I'm saying is, don't get too caught up in it just yet. This is the easy part of the schedule, still. Interleague play will be brutal. Teams will come gunning after the Cardinals soon. All those runners left on will eventually bite us in the butt. This team isn't a 67-win team, but neither is it a 95-win team.

    If they can win 83 games, it'll be something to see, with a future that only gets brighter for next year.
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  • #2
    I think LaRussa can keep the team focused better than Riggleman but your concerns are valid though.

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    • #3
      Another thing.....they were/are the cubs. We are the St. Louis Cardinals, winners of 10 World Championships!!!!! We have history on our side.

      (I don't blame you for being cautious, though. It's going to be a grind.)
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      • #4
        did the 1999 Cubs have Albert Pujols?
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        • #5
          2006 started off like this also. And then they were 10 below .500 from the end of May on.

          But by the grace of the shitty NL Central, they still won the division, along with one other notable prize. I dont think the division is as weak this year, however.

          It'll take 90 wins at least to win the division this year. I dont know if the Cards can do that, over the long run. I see too many mirages on the team right now.
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          Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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          • #6
            Trigger - the Cardinals face a death march from the June 20th until August 9 or something like that -

            Despite that - I like our chances -

            The team is learning how to win - They actually should have won a few more games.

            They aren't playing above their heads - they are playinig at it.

            Now injuries can always derail you - but if anything - the Cards will get stronger when the young hitters get better.

            While Kennedy is above his head a little - Izturis is way below his - that should balance out.

            And as mentioned before - we have Albert and the other teams don't.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by triggercut1 View Post
              As excited as I am by the way the Cardinals have started, I cannot help but think on the lesson of the 1999 Chicago Cubs as a cautionary tale here.

              I was living in Chicago that year, and the Cubs were coming off a year where they'd squeaked into the playoffs in '98. The experts predicted grim tidings for them, though, when Kerry Wood blew out his elbow in the early spring and would miss the whole season. As if to confound those experts, the Cubs managed to get to a 32-23, a game out of first.

              Riggleman's Cubs had terrible secondary numbers, but guys were playing way over their heads; Kevin Tapani and Terry Mulholland had found some sort of Fountain Of Youth. Terry Adams appeared to be a serviceable closer. The team, despite Gary Gaetti hitting about .230, was winning games in the late innings on hustle and guile. The Cubs were the talk of Chicago.

              ...and then the bottom fell out. They had a 3-game set with the White Sox at Comiskey, and I remember going to two of those games and cheering lustily for the plucky "Kids Are Alright" Southsiders who managed to sweep the Cubs. From that point forward everything fell apart for the Northside Nine. Tapani crashed back to earth. Jon Lieber--who started 5-1--finished 10-11. Terry Adams remembered that he was Terry Adams, and the bullpen collapsed.

              The Cubs, 32-23 on June 6th, would go 35-72 from that point forward to finish the year in dead last with a 67-95 record. They'd win exactly 6 games of 30 played in the month of August.

              Keep that in mind watching these Go-Go Cardinals right now. This team has been a fun, fun story, but the secondary numbers are troublesome. This is a team without power on offense, and a team with a somewhat shaky bullpen. They're a team with a starting rotation dependent on Todd Wellemeyer and Brandon Looper and their ability to pitch far over their heads.

              What I'm saying is, don't get too caught up in it just yet. This is the easy part of the schedule, still. Interleague play will be brutal. Teams will come gunning after the Cardinals soon. All those runners left on will eventually bite us in the butt. This team isn't a 67-win team, but neither is it a 95-win team.

              If they can win 83 games, it'll be something to see, with a future that only gets brighter for next year.
              I remember that. I left Chicago for a 2 week trip overseas right about the time that they played the White Sox. I wasn't able to follow much baseball and when I got back I remember thinking "what the hell happened" and then I just laaaaaaaaughed.

              By the way, just to nit-pick a little bit, the White Sox marketing slogan was "the kids can play."
              Of course you do.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ShortHop View Post
                I remember that. I left Chicago for a 2 week trip overseas right about the time that they played the White Sox. I wasn't able to follow much baseball and when I got back I remember thinking "what the hell happened" and then I just laaaaaaaaughed.

                By the way, just to nit-pick a little bit, the White Sox marketing slogan was "the kids can play."
                He likes The Who.

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                • #9
                  I can't wait to see this Brandon Looper guy pitch.

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                  • #10
                    I think you'll enjoy his .400 batting average too.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by backstop View Post
                      He likes The Who.
                      Ah-ha. Good point.

                      Anyway, that is a good story to keep in mind, and a fun one to remember too.

                      Speaking of, where can I find one of those line graph sites that shows each pennant race and where each team was in the standings at each date in the season? Is that one with the horses representing each team still around?
                      Of course you do.

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                      • #12
                        All I remember was that they'd play "The Kids Are Alright" at the stadium and on AM 1000 before games.

                        And yes, the frightening parallels continue: the Cubs did indeed have themselves an Albert Pujols:

                        Sammy Sosa hit .288, 63 HR, 141 RBI, and a 1.002 OPS for a team that won 67 games.
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                        • #13
                          OH NO YOU DIDINT
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by triggercut1 View Post
                            All I remember was that they'd play "The Kids Are Alright" at the stadium and on AM 1000 before games.

                            And yes, the frightening parallels continue: the Cubs did indeed have themselves an Albert Pujols:

                            Sammy Sosa hit .288, 63 HR, 141 RBI, and a 1.002 OPS for a team that won 67 games.
                            I see what you're getting at. I shouldn't have been nitpicky in the first place. You just brought the memories flowing back and I just had to write them down. Where's my diary?
                            Of course you do.

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                            • #15
                              Those Cubs gave up 920 runs, which is not easy to do. Trachsel was awful. They may have had a Pujols, but they did not have a Wagonmaker.

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