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    Dolphins down to two at #1 overall.

    Dolphins focus on Long, Gholston

    Posted: Thursday April 10, 2008 06:41AM ET

    Apparently content to keep the No. 1 overall pick, the Dolphins have begun discussing contract parameters with at least two players on their short list of candidates to become the draft's top selection. Official contract negotiations with Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long, and Ohio State defensive end Vernon Gholston were started this week, according to a source. Coincidentally, Long and Gholston are represented by the same agency, CAA, but have different agents.
    You're being fucking dramatic. You own a TV and an air mattress. That's not exactly what I'd call "a lot to lose."
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    This is great for the Rams. Chris Long, here we come.
    On my mind: How can I shut up the singing English graduate student? How many more lossess will KU's basketball team have than its football team? How will the Rams front office screw up this year?


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    • #3
      Originally posted by chiguy View Post
      This is great for the Rams. Chris Long, here we come.
      nah...we'll fuck it up & draft Dorsey who we'll find out in training camp has some kind of career ending degenerative bone disease or something...
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      • #4
        I would pick Long, but I won't be that upset with Dorsey.
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        • #5
          Ghoulston or C. Long. Jake Long would infuriate me. The Rams O-line from last year could block the current Rams D-line.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by OldSchoolStroker View Post
            nah...we'll fuck it up & draft Dorsey who we'll find out in training camp has some kind of career ending degenerative bone disease or something...
            If they screw it up, it will be by drafting Ryan or McSpadden.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by raise View Post
              Ghoulston or C. Long. Jake Long would infuriate me. The Rams O-line from last year could block the current Rams D-line.
              One factor is the huge contract a #2 is going to get.

              While Ghoulston is at a position of more need...if Chris Long is gone, Jake Long is a solid pick I think. He's as sure a thing as you can draft and at the big $ being somewhat assured sure the guy can play is important to management.

              Yes, Ghoulston could be a monster. I'd be happy with him too.
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              • #8
                This is a bad year to be picking #2, I think. Jake Long sounds like a dominant RIGHT tackle, Chris Long is a better version of Grant Wistrom, Dorsey has injury questions and DTs have a history of not living up to their billing, and Gholston is an athletic freak who didn't show up for a lot of games. In short, all of the players at the top have some sort of clear "flaw" or risk involved. My preference is to choose one of the Longs even if they don't have the highest upside, because the Rams can't afford not to come away with a long term contributor. But I can't really say choosing any of the four would be problematic, no matter whether they hit or not on the pick.
                On my mind: How can I shut up the singing English graduate student? How many more lossess will KU's basketball team have than its football team? How will the Rams front office screw up this year?


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                • #9
                  I keep hearing that Dorsey has injury questions, and yet he came back from the stress fracture to play a full season.

                  Not sure what the question is -- football players get hurt. The dedicated ones rehab their way back, like Adrian Peterson and Jonathan Vilma.

                  I think teams overthink this shit. If Dorsey's there, he's a solid pick.
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                  • #10
                    I've probably watched Vernon Gholston more than a lot of these people saying he didn't show up for a lot of games and I just don't know where that comes from.

                    When Ohio State is beating Akron or Indiana 38-7 early in the 3rd quarter, he comes off the field, maybe that is where the disconnect is. I don't know.

                    The one legitimate knock I can find in Gholston's game is his run defense.

                    But that was also highlighted by Marcus Freeman, OLB, playing right behind him in college and being known as more of a coverage type of LB. If you are looking to draft a guy that can pressure the QB off the edge, I'm of the belief that there is no better choice.
                    You're being fucking dramatic. You own a TV and an air mattress. That's not exactly what I'd call "a lot to lose."

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                    • #11
                      You're being fucking dramatic. You own a TV and an air mattress. That's not exactly what I'd call "a lot to lose."

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                      • #12
                        As I understand it Charlie, his production levels were much higher against the top flight competition versus the others, which created concerns that his intensity isn't always at its highest levels. Plus, his coaches have been quoted as saying as much, but that it was a problem of the "past."

                        As far as Dorsey's injury issues, the question revolves around whether there is structural damage that hasn't healed properly and whether he will continue to have nagging injury concerns. Maybe teams overthink it, but since the Rams are going to invest around 30 million in this pick I'd prefer they not under think it. Plus, if the guy is going to be on the DL a lot, his value does go down in my opinion.

                        Dorsey is tough, no question, and will play through pain. But if his career will be over in four years, then he's not a good pick no matter how hard he rehabs. The injury questions focus on long term issues.
                        On my mind: How can I shut up the singing English graduate student? How many more lossess will KU's basketball team have than its football team? How will the Rams front office screw up this year?


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by moedrabowsky View Post
                          I keep hearing that Dorsey has injury questions, and yet he came back from the stress fracture to play a full season.

                          Not sure what the question is -- football players get hurt. The dedicated ones rehab their way back, like Adrian Peterson and Jonathan Vilma.

                          I think teams overthink this shit. If Dorsey's there, he's a solid pick.
                          I wouldn't have a problem with him either but I hope they take one of the Longs.
                          Go Cards ...12 in 13.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chiguy View Post
                            As I understand it Charlie, his production levels were much higher against the top flight competition versus the others, which created concerns that his intensity isn't always at its highest levels. Plus, his coaches have been quoted as saying as much, but that it was a problem of the "past."

                            As far as Dorsey's injury issues, the question revolves around whether there is structural damage that hasn't healed properly and whether he will continue to have nagging injury concerns. Maybe teams overthink it, but since the Rams are going to invest around 30 million in this pick I'd prefer they not under think it. Plus, if the guy is going to be on the DL a lot, his value does go down in my opinion.

                            Dorsey is tough, no question, and will play through pain. But if his career will be over in four years, then he's not a good pick no matter how hard he rehabs. The injury questions focus on long term issues.
                            ++

                            Cost and risk are huge factors in this choice.
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