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  • The 2008 St. Louis Cardinals - Reasons To Believe.

    The Cardinals are coming off their first non playoff season in 4 years - the first sub 500 in almost a decade - and 4 starters are off the everyday 8 that stunk it up last year.

    Yet - in the land of davhalala (thats Davhaf and Schwahalala together) there are reasons for optimism.

    1. Leadership. Hard to say how many games Alcoholism and Drug addiction cost the Cardinals last year. We Spezio not ready to go when he should have been - Duncan missing some stupid time - the death of Josh Hancock - and the skip obviously being unprepared to go - there were many things that were wrong. Spezio, Rolen, Eck and Edmonds being off the team leave Albert as the unquestioned leader.
    He appears to be a nononsense hard ass. Hopefully that filters into some of his teammates.

    2. Pitching. Last year the bullpen did a fine job when they weren't asked to pitch in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th innings. Now you have to assess the blow up factor of each pitcher.
    How likely is it that they put the Cards in a 5 run whole before the third. Pitcher by Pitcher.

    Wainwright - less - reason more experience
    Looper - less - more experience as a starter.
    Pinero over Wells - less - better control
    Clement over Reyes - less - more experience
    Thompson over Reyes and Thompson - Thompson could be even - last year he really didn't stink up the joint as a starter - Same for Wellmeyer.
    Lohse - an upgrade over Wells - Reyes - Wellmeyer - and Thompson.


    So the starters should actually improve in 3 spots and stay no less than the same in two others.

    3. Bullpen - what goes up must come down and last year was an up year. So why don't I think it will come down. If Izzy is healthy and so far he has been - he's good. Thats the key.

    4. Offense - We lost Eck, Juan, Scotty and Jimmy. Scotty and Jimmy weren't extra productive for them or even most averages - Eck was slightly better than average offensively but below average defensively. Juan was good and will be missed.

    Only Tony using Izturis to death is a signifcant drag - Kennedy appears to be much improved - Glaus will give us what Rolen did offensively if not better - but no one can give us his defense. But the outfield is doing okay - Jimmy probably won't be missed.

    Offensively you will have better performances from 2nd - 3rd - Center - and Left - Hold your own at 1st, catcher and Center - and maybe a slight drop in right.

    So how much improved is the competition.
    Cubs added Fuku and Leiber and are one year together stronger
    Brewers added a bullpen which could be huge if it works.
    Reds added a lot via trade but gave up some stuff too.
    Astros added Tejada but never addressed their pitching.
    Pirates - nothing.

    So were better and the competition is not much better than last year.

    We got a shot.
    Last edited by Schwahalala; 03-24-2008, 01:10 PM. Reason: I forget stuff.
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    Cubs added Fukudome and Lieber. Plus, Dempster is competing for the 5th spot in the rotation again.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by El Birdo 1 View Post
      Cubs added Fukudome and Lieber. Plus, Dempster is competing for the 5th spot in the rotation again.

      A Chinese man and Leiber - I'm hoping he's not as good as advertised.

      Still you are correct - they got better.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by El Birdo 1 View Post
        Cubs added Fukudome and Lieber. Plus, Dempster is competing for the 5th spot in the rotation again.
        I am still trying to figure out how Fukudome is going to be the #3 hitter in front of Lee.....

        In addition, Lieber is getting up there in age and Dempster is competing for the 5th spot 'cause he had enough problems trying to close games out last season.....
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        • #5
          Lieber would be our #2 to start the season.

          The Domer was a very nice pickup.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by El Birdo 1 View Post
            Lieber would be our #2 to start the season.

            The Domer was a very nice pickup.
            I know the Cards were interested in Lieber at one point....I hope Lohse is a better fit for our rotation.....
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            • #7
              IF everything fall into place for the Cards, they'll win 80-82.
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              • #8
                Juan was good and will be missed.
                speak for yourself.
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                • #9
                  Rod Stewart would be proud...

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                  Can't buy what I want because it's free..."
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Schwahalala View Post
                    The Cardinals are coming off their first non playoff season in 4 years - the first sub 500 in almost a decade - and 4 starters are off the everyday 8 that stunk it up last year.

                    Yet - in the land of davhalala (thats Davhaf and Schwahalala together) there are reasons for optimism.

                    1. Leadership. Hard to say how many games Alcoholism and Drug addiction cost the Cardinals last year. We Spezio not ready to go when he should have been - Duncan missing some stupid time - the death of Josh Hancock - and the skip obviously being unprepared to go - there were many things that were wrong. Spezio, Rolen, Eck and Edmonds being off the team leave Albert as the unquestioned leader.
                    He appears to be a nononsense hard ass. Hopefully that filters into some of his teammates.

                    2. Pitching. Last year the bullpen did a fine job when they weren't asked to pitch in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th innings. Now you have to assess the blow up factor of each pitcher.
                    How likely is it that they put the Cards in a 5 run whole before the third. Pitcher by Pitcher.

                    Wainwright - less - reason more experience
                    Looper - less - more experience as a starter.
                    Pinero over Wells - less - better control
                    Clement over Reyes - less - more experience
                    Thompson over Reyes and Thompson - Thompson could be even - last year he really didn't stink up the joint as a starter - Same for Wellmeyer.

                    So the starters should actually improve in 3 spots and stay no less than the same in two others.

                    3. Bullpen - what goes up must come down and last year was an up year. So why don't I think it will come down. If Izzy is healthy and so far he has been - he's good. Thats the key.

                    4. Offense - We lost Eck, Juan, Scotty and Jimmy. Scotty and Jimmy weren't extra productive for them or even most averages - Eck was slightly better than average offensively but below average defensively. Juan was good and will be missed.

                    Only Tony using Izturis to death is a signifcant drag - Kennedy appears to be much improved - Glaus will give us what Rolen did offensively if not better - but no one can give us his defense. But the outfield is doing okay - Jimmy probably won't be missed.

                    Offensively you will have better performances from 2nd - 3rd - Center - and Left - Hold your own at 1st, catcher and Center - and maybe a slight drop in right.

                    So how much improved is the competition.
                    Cubs added Fuku and Leiber and are one year together stronger
                    Brewers added a bullpen which could be huge if it works.
                    Reds added a lot via trade but gave up some stuff too.
                    Astros added Tejada but never addressed their pitching.
                    Pirates - nothing.

                    So were better and the competition is not much better than last year.

                    We got a shot.
                    I'm gonna drink a little kool-aid, too. I've been watching baseball a lot of years, and truthfully, you just never know (unless you're the Pirates -- and then you know).

                    No use in throwing in the towel before the bell rings.
                    This game's gotta be played with fear and arrogance - Crash Davis

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ty Shula View Post
                      speak for yourself.

                      You cut me Ty - you cut me.
                      Turning the other cheek is better than burying the other body.

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                      • #12
                        as far as predictions, i say the Cardinals are better than people think.

                        81-81 at the worst
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                        • #13
                          I think this team can go 82-80..........
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                          • #14
                            I think this team, if everything breaks as it should, is a high- 70s-win team. However, things rarely break as they should, and I could see the team going 75-87 or going 82-80. And in this division, 82-80 could be enough to take 1st.

                            -RBB

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RedBirdBrain View Post
                              I think this team, if everything breaks as it should, is a high- 70s-win team. However, things rarely break as they should, and I could see the team going 75-87 or going 82-80. And in this division, 82-80 could be enough to take 1st.

                              -RBB
                              I can agree with everything except 82-80 winning this division. I think it'll take at least 94 wins this season.
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