What? SIX FREAKING WEEKS? April 22 GDT

[kah]

Apropos of nothing, Lucy Pinder.

[kah]

Geography
Further information: Geography of Pennsylvania
Further information: List of Pennsylvania counties

Pennsylvania is 170 miles (274 km) north to south and 283 miles (455 km) east to west.[15] Of a total 46,055 square miles (119,282 km²), 44,817 square miles (116,075 km²) are land, 490 square miles (1,269 km²) are inland waters and 749 square miles (1,940 km²) are waters in Lake Erie.[16] It is the 33rd largest state in the United States.[16] The highest point of 3,213 feet (979 m) above sea level is at Mount Davis, which was named for its owner, John Davis, a schoolteacher who fought for the Union Army at the Battle of Gettysburg. The lowest point is at sea level on the Delaware River, and the approximate mean elevation is 1,100 feet (335 m).[17] Pennsylvania is in the Eastern time zone.[18]


The original southern boundary of Pennsylvania was supposed to be at 40° North latitude,[19] but as a result of a bad faith compromise by Lord Baltimore during Cresap's War, the king's courts moved the boundary 20 miles (32 km) south[20] to 39° 43' N.[15] The city of Philadelphia, at 40°0'N 75°8'W,[21] would have been split in half by the original boundary. While he was a captive, Cresap, a Marylander, was paraded through Philadelphia. He taunted the officers by announcing that Philadelphia was one of the prettiest towns in Maryland.[20]

[kah]

In news that has absolutely nothing to do with the Pennsylvania primary, Al Franken now appears to have the Democratic nomination for the MN Senate seat locked up.

He's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, he's going to beat Norm Coleman's ass.

[triggercut1]

Best description of Pennsylvania I've heard, courtesy of Chris Matthews (who is a Quaker State native): Two urban areas with Alabama's white population strewn inbetween.

[Hawg_Wild03]

Best description of Pennsylvania I've heard, courtesy of Chris Matthews (who is a Quaker State native): Two urban areas with Alabama's white population strewn inbetween.

so no chance for obama?

[InSighT]

so no chance for obama?

idk, he won something like 4 counties in Missouri but still carried the state.

[Blues Fan in TX]

I thought this thread was about guessing the date of the Cards first win.

[Bleacher Creature]

It's a pretty state to drive through. We drove up to Boston in 95. We took I70 going and I 80 coming back.

[Razzy]

About half of Pennsylvanias' 12.4 million population lives in the Pittsburgh or Philadelphia metro areas, which is about = to the percentage of Missouris' population that consists of the St Louis and KC metro areas. So in that way, the states are similar.

But Pennsylvania is probably too white and too old, so it'll be a tough state for Obama to win.

Dont ask me why Obama has done well in white states like the upper midwestern and mountain states, but hasnt done as well in some of the rust belt and northeastern white states.

I'm guessing that the difference between those states is a matter of progressive whites who like Obama vs older and more blue collar whites who like Hillary.

[Razzy]

It's a pretty state to drive through. We drove up to Boston in 95. We took I70 going and I 80 coming back.

Yes, and much of the scenery along the interstates is unspoiled. No billboards and no "Big Louies" type businesses at the exits off the interstate. Hell, for such a populous state, it had very few houses visible from I-80 unless you were going through cities.

Drive through some of the old mill towns in that state, and its like being in a different world. You just dont see towns in the midwest like you see in Pennsylvania.

[triggercut1]

Obama's task will be to win enough delegates in PA to keep the math from moving much. He'll also want to keep Clinton from beating him by more than a couple hundred thousand votes.

Here's the rest of the post-PA primary schedule:

Likely Obama states:
North Carolina
Montana
South Dakota
Oregon

Likely Clinton states:
West Virginia
Kentucky

tossups:
Indiana (reliably conservative GOP state with a voter demographic that looks like Ohio, but in neighboring states to IL Obama has outperformed his polling numbers by a large margin.)

Puerto Rico (a delegate bonanza with 63 delegates tied to their contest, Obama has been endorsed by the governor there and is doing very well there despite the obvious latino population.)

[Razzy]

SUSA has a poll out today with Obama leading North Carolina 50-40 over Hillary.

I agree about Indiana, Trigger. It could go either way. I have to think that Hillary has a slight edge, but as you said, it is next to Chicago, and the populous NW Indiana counties are likely going for Obama, as well as perhaps a 50-50 split in the county that Indianapolis is in. But the rest of the state will probably lean towards Hillary. I think Indiana is made up of more blue collar white Democrats than progressive ones.

Kentucky is another state I am on the fence about. Louisville and perhaps even Lexington could go for Obama, but again, lots of blue collar whites there that tend to go for Hillary.

I dont see any way possible that Hillary catches Obama in either states won, pledged delegates, or the popular vote - at least before figuring Michigan and Florida into it, and likely not even then.

[007]

The "expert" on MSNBC's "Countdown" stated tonight that as it stood, Clinton needed to win something like 73% of the remaining delegates while Obama was around 46%...

Obama gained a few delegates from California today after some absentee ballots were counted and in Ohio, a few of the precincts haven't certified their results...

[BlueBrained]

And he won the Texas Caucuses.

[kjoe]

And he won the Texas Caucuses.

He won Texas. When the votes were counted, Obama won more delegates than Hillary did. He made more progress towards 2025 than she did.

He won Texas.