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  • Obama's Stated Iraq Plan May Not Be His Iraq Plan as CIC

    Obama adviser Susan Power, the "Hillary is a monster" Harvard professor recently gave an interview to the BBC, downplaying Obama's 1 to 2 brigade per month withdraw plan in Iraq. She claims it is just a "best case scenario".

    Lots of interesting tidbits in here. I'm not sure if the MSM will pick this up, but you combine this with Obama's chief economic adviser and the NAFTA issue, and you are starting to see the makings of a fairly ordinary politician. At least that is how he can now be portrayed by Hillary and McCain.

    You will also note that a Hillary adviser has essentially done the same thing regarding her plan on Iraq.

    As noted in the other thread, Susan Power resigned from the Obama campaign today.

    Power on Obama's Iraq plan: "best case scenario"


    For all the chatter about Obama adviser Samantha Power's calling Clinton a "monster," another set of remarks made on her book tour in the United Kingdom may be equally threatening to the Obama campaign: Comments in a BBC interview that express a lack of confidence that Obama will be able to carry through his plan to withdraw troops from Iraq within 16 months.

    "He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. Senator," she said at one point in the interview.

    Power downplayed Obama's commitment to quick withdrawal from Iraq on Hard Talk, a program that often exceeds any of the U.S. talk shows in the rigor of its grillings. She was challenged on Obama's Iraq plan, as it appears on his website, which says that Obama "will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."

    "What he’s actually said, after meting with the generals and meeting with intelligence professionals, is that you – at best case scenario – will be able to withdraw one to two combat brigades each month. That’s what they’re telling him. He will revisit it when he becomes president," Power says.

    The host, Stephen Sackur, challenged her:"So what the American public thinks is a commitment to get combat forces out in 16 months isn't a commitment isn't it?"

    "You can’t make a commitment in March 2008 about what circumstances will be like in January of 2009," she said. "He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. Senator. He will rely upon a plan – an operational plan – that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn’t have daily access now, as a result of not being the president. So to think – it would be the height of ideology to sort of say, 'Well, I said it, therefore I’m going to impose it on whatever reality greets me.'"

    "It’s a best-case scenario," she said again.

    Obama's and Clinton's have both refused to promise a firm timeline for withdrawal, even by 2013, because of the changing situation on the ground in Iraq. But Power also seemed to depart from Obama's optimism that his plan is likely to work.

    Power identified herself in the interview as an "informal adviser" to Obama.
    "I've never been in politics before, I've thought of being on a show like this defending a presidential candidate before, and I wouldn't do it if I didn't agree with him," she said.

    You can watch the full interview here. The discussion of Iraq begins around 3:45. And thanks to the reader who sent over the link.

    UPDATE: A Clinton adviser -- though, unlike Power, not a member of her campaign team, recently told The New York Sun similar things about the New York Senator's position.
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi..._scenario.html

    To be fair, I'm glad he's willing to reconsider his Iraq policy once he gets into office. But this game is about perceptions. And his was that he is not your ordinary run of the mill politician. But saying one thing and doing another is the classic run of the mill politician move.
    "You can't handle my opinions." Moedrabowsky

    Jeffro is a hell of a good man.

    "A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel." - Robert Frost

  • #2
    Shocking! A politician making campaign promises that probably won't be fulfilled? Say it isn't so!

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    • #3
      GeeDub has us so deep into this crapola, I don't think it's possible to be out by the end of 09. I think many people would like to believe it was possible (I did) but I can't see it now.
      Make America Great For Once.

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      • #4
        It will taqke a lot more than this sort of stuff to derail Obama---with the 8 delegate swing in California, the income tax and library issues ready to take off--Clinton's 7 short days of turn around are going to be 7 long weeks for her.




        Just to make your head spin a bit more on the delegate front: A Kos diarist notes that final delegate counts in California quietly narrowed Obama's projected gap there substantially.
        Clinton, early estimates held, would be up was by as much aso 207-163; the results are 203-167.



        Plouffe: "You have to wonder whether she'll be open and honest with the American people"

        Obama campaign manager David Plouffe returned to the issue of Clinton's secrecy today, pointing to a USA Today story
        LITTLE ROCK — Federal archivists at the Clinton Presidential Library are blocking the release of hundreds of pages of White House papers on pardons that the former president approved, including clemency for fugitive commodities trader Marc Rich.
        The archivists' decision, based on guidance provided by Bill Clinton that restricts the disclosure of advice he received from aides, prevents public scrutiny of documents that would shed light on how he decided which pardons to approve from among hundreds of requests.
        that reports that Bill Clinton's instructions to the National Archive have resulted in copious redactions to documents concerning his pardons.

        "Behind closed doors, they’re trying to prevent the American people from evaluating [Clinton's White House] experience," he said. "You have to wonder whether she’ll be open and honest with the American people as president."
        He also noted, again, that Clinton doesn't need to wait until April 15 to release the last six years of tax returns.
        Clinton is "one of the most secretive politicians in America today," he said.
        Plouffe, floating the attacks, used more or less the same excuse that Clinton's advisors have in attacking -- aka "vetting" -- Obama.
        "The Republicans certainly aren’t going to consider anything out of bounds," he said.
        He also responded to Samantha Power's suggestion that Obama's plan for Iraq is nothing more than a "best case scenario."
        Obama's plan is a "rock-solid commitment," he said.
        ALSO: Plouffe suggested that the campaign had mishandled the Goolsbee story.
        "We regret how it was handled and wish all the information had been provided at the first moment," he said, though he maintained that Goolsbee had been misquoted.
        Last edited by kjoe; 03-07-2008, 12:28 PM.
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        • #5
          but.... what about the mandate?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dooz View Post
            but.... what about the mandate?
            alterry PMed you as well?
            Dude. Can. Fly.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dooz View Post
              but.... what about the mandate?
              Where is Canada when we need them? Can't somebody leak a memo that Clinton's and Obama's health proposals are total meaningless jokes (it's a start, and it's bettter than mcCain), mandate or no mandate?
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              • #8
                damn, this gal dug the hole for Obama and now is covering him up.
                Official sponsor of Mike Shannon's Retirement Party

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                • #9
                  "I've never been in politics before"
                  No shit?
                  “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

                  Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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                  • #10
                    The problem with this analysis, of course, is that the musings of a surrogate, or an advisor, particularly an academic advisor, are not the equivalent of the candidate, whomever it may be, taking an inconsistent position.

                    As long as the candidates position is the same, it seems baseless to launch the attack b/c an advisor surmises differently.

                    I assume George Bush is given differing advice. Does that make him inconsistent?

                    The real problem I see is how quickly we cause people to flee the political arena. It is presumably a good thing to have Harvard professors and University of Chicago professors advising politicians and participating in public discourse.

                    Of course, professors discuss complex issues in terms of nuance and noodle over possibilities. None of these is acceptable in political life where any variance by anyone in the entirety of the campaign is considered a "flip-flop", and therefore they must be purged. Into the vacuum step complete and total fucks like Cheney and Rumsfeld, and the real world situations worsen.
                    From this day forward, I no longer shall tinker with the machinery of death.

                    For more than 20 years I have endeavored-indeed, I have struggled-along with a majority of this Court, to develop procedural & substantive rules that would lend more than the mere appearance of fairness to the death penalty endeavor.


                    I feel morally and intellectually obligated simply to concede that the death penalty experiment has failed.

                    The path the Court has chosen lessens us all. I dissent.

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                    • #11
                      So I can look forward to 5 FAR/Obama threads a week for the forseeable future? Cindy Sheehan weeps.
                      Dude. Can. Fly.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dvyyyyyy View Post
                        So I can look forward to 5 FAR/Obama threads a week for the forseeable future? Cindy Sheehan weeps.
                        Just wait until he starts pasting in pictures. By the time of election, Obama will be blacker than coal.
                        From this day forward, I no longer shall tinker with the machinery of death.

                        For more than 20 years I have endeavored-indeed, I have struggled-along with a majority of this Court, to develop procedural & substantive rules that would lend more than the mere appearance of fairness to the death penalty endeavor.


                        I feel morally and intellectually obligated simply to concede that the death penalty experiment has failed.

                        The path the Court has chosen lessens us all. I dissent.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dvyyyyyy View Post
                          So I can look forward to 5 FAR/Obama threads a week for the forseeable future? Cindy Sheehan weeps.
                          Actually, I do look forward to them.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dvyyyyyy View Post
                            So I can look forward to 5 FAR/Obama threads a week for the forseeable future? Cindy Sheehan weeps.
                            Yes, apparently his original "Obama Dirty Laundry" thread isnt a good enough place to post this crap. It reminds me a whole lot of how Torch would post almost-daily Anti-Semitic threads.

                            We need Bondwhale to comment on this!
                            “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

                            Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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                            • #15
                              His middle name is Hussein, you know.
                              Dude. Can. Fly.

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