Karl Rove, Roger Clemens--how many, if any, months in prison for each?

[kjoe]

Perjury before congress should be taken seriously. Maybe neither deserves time in prison. Perhaps it is Dana Jill who needs to do all the hard time for both of them.

Simpson Responds to Rove

By Paul Kiel - February 26, 2008, 3:07PM
Yesterday we brought you Karl Rove's expansive denial of Republican lawyer Dana Jill Simpson's testimony to Congress and comments to 60 Minutes.
Simpson responded last night on MSNBC's Dan Abrams show: "Since Karl Rove has said that and he feels so good saying that, what I want him to do is go and swear before the United States Congress and swear what he's saying is true."

[Jaws]

Every pitcher needs a catcher.

[hkyfan]

Every pitcher needs a catcher.

Good Line.

Your wit is wasted here on the unobservant.

[Prngr44]

Zero.

[Schwahalala]

Negative -

Each may be given an award by Bush.

[Bleacher Creature]

I don't care about Rove, but I hope Bush does pardon Clemens if Congress gets stupid and indicts him.

[Schwahalala]

I don't care about Rove, but I hope Bush does pardon Clemens if Congress gets stupid and indicts him.

Should they also pardon Bonds - then?

[Bleacher Creature]

Should they also pardon Bonds - then?

Yes.

[Schwahalala]

Yes.

I agree -

To be honest Kev.

Major League Baseball needs to absolve players of any wrong doing -

Direct Mark McGwire into the hall and any others and then move on.

[Bleacher Creature]

I agree -

To be honest Kev.

Major League Baseball needs to absolve players of any wrong doing -

Direct Mark McGwire into the hall and any others and then move on.

Here's my deal with this crapola.

Some in Congress are grandstanding about how this is such a health threat to the kids. While I don't necessarily want to see young kids using that stuff, the more clear and present danger to our nation's children, is the everyday violence that they face. For every kid who's taken out by the use of steroids, hundreds if not thousands are lost to needless violent acts. Congress needs to address real issues that have an effect on all of us, not get involved in some facetime, feelgood photo ops.

[kconn]

I don't think the Bonds and Clemens situations are exactly the same, though they are close.
(Let me preface this by saying any of my facts may be in error).

Bonds' perjury was before a grand jury as part of a criminal investigation. There were actual criminal charges possibly coming out of the grand jury system, and he lied. While it's not murder, it is serious.

There was no criminal investigation with Clemens. There was NO PURPOSE for the congressional hearing where he testified, beyond the hearing itself. Congress had nothing to do with the Mitchell report. They bring in ONE GUY, Clemens, and basically set him up for a perjury trap. They have him tell his story (again - to what end?) and then shoot off a letter to DOJ to look into whether he lied.

This is the business of congress? To bring in citizens and set them up for perjury? Again, I would love to hear what other point there was to the Clemens hearing. Where are the hearings with the other players named in the Mitchell Report? When will Paul LoDuca testify before congress? Troy Glaus? Rick Ankiel? The crappy relievers nobody remembers who were in the report?

I don't like Clemens, I think he cheated. But this is utter bullshit from our elected representatives. I saw Davis quoted as saying they need to investigate Clemens to "protect the integrity of the process." What integrity? This process had no integrity from the word go. The whole thing is infuriating.

[billiken_roy]

I don't think the Bonds and Clemens situations are exactly the same, though they are close.
(Let me preface this by saying any of my facts may be in error).

Bonds' perjury was before a grand jury as part of a criminal investigation. There were actual criminal charges possibly coming out of the grand jury system, and he lied. While it's not murder, it is serious.

There was no criminal investigation with Clemens. There was NO PURPOSE for the congressional hearing where he testified, beyond the hearing itself. Congress had nothing to do with the Mitchell report. They bring in ONE GUY, Clemens, and basically set him up for a perjury trap. They have him tell his story (again - to what end?) and then shoot off a letter to DOJ to look into whether he lied.

This is the business of congress? To bring in citizens and set them up for perjury? Again, I would love to hear what other point there was to the Clemens hearing. Where are the hearings with the other players named in the Mitchell Report? When will Paul LoDuca testify before congress? Troy Glaus? Rick Ankiel? The crappy relievers nobody remembers who were in the report?

I don't like Clemens, I think he cheated. But this is utter bullshit from our elected representatives. I saw Davis quoted as saying they need to investigate Clemens to "protect the integrity of the process." What integrity? This process had no integrity from the word go. The whole thing is infuriating.

perjury and obstruction of justice imo are the absolute worst non-violent crimes anyone can commit. if it is allowed in any form you are setting dangerous precedent that rocks our foundation of the democratic process and our constitution.

i dont care how or why it is committed, if the message isnt sent that when you put your hand on the Bible "you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god" or you are in big trouble. we have a massive problem.

there should NEVER be an exception or deal made for committing perjury or obstruction of justice. an offender should ALWAYS be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[Bleacher Creature]

perjury and obstruction of justice imo are the absolute worst non-violent crimes anyone can commit. if it is allowed in any form you are setting dangerous precedent that rocks our foundation of the democratic process and our constitution.

i dont care how or why it is committed, if the message isnt sent that when you put your hand on the Bible "you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god" or you are in big trouble. we have a massive problem.

there should NEVER be an exception or deal made for committing perjury or obstruction of justice. an offender should ALWAYS be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Well then all of our elected officials should be prosecuted.

[billiken_roy]

Well then all of our elected officials should be prosecuted.

if it can be proven, dam right.

[Jaws]

perjury and obstruction of justice imo are the absolute worst non-violent crimes anyone can commit. if it is allowed in any form you are setting dangerous precedent that rocks our foundation of the democratic process and our constitution.

i dont care how or why it is committed, if the message isnt sent that when you put your hand on the Bible "you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god" or you are in big trouble. we have a massive problem.

there should NEVER be an exception or deal made for committing perjury or obstruction of justice. an offender should ALWAYS be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Well said.

Clemens wasn't "set up." He was called to testify before Congress. It doesn't matter what the reason of the hearings. You do not lie. Take the 5th, if you must, but do...not...lie.

Bottom line: Clemens or Rove lie under oath to Congress they get jail time.