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    Pitcher will bat eighth again
    By Derrick Goold
    ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
    02/27/2008

    February 23, 2008 -- Cardinals manager Tony La Russa (right) hits ground balls to infielders.
    (Chris Lee/P-D)


    JUPITER, FLA. • Manager Tony La Russa will defy convention again this season — and this spring, too — by batting the pitcher eighth, he said Tuesday.
    But he may be gaining converts.
    Milwaukee manager Ned Yost has reportedly considered batting his pitcher eighth and moving catcher Jason Kendall into the ninth spot to get his top-order hitters more RBI chances. It’s a similar theory that La Russa uses to guide his lineup — a chance to have Albert Pujols be a de facto cleanup hitting when the roster turns over. "We’re going to have the second leadoff (hitter) with the No. 9 hitter when we start putting the pitcher in the lineup (in mid-March)," La Russa said. Asked if that held for the regular season, he said: "Yeah, I plan to."

    The Cardinals saw enough of an offensive jump after the switch last season to encourage La Russa to stick with the newfangled lineup. In the 106 games before the switch, the Cardinals averaged 4.34 runs a game. After: 4.64 runs per game, despite key injuries. Pitchers’ on-base percentage jumped from .217 in the nine spot to .248 in the eighth spot.

    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...7?OpenDocument


  • #2
    Oh brother..........
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    • #3
      >> "We’re going to have the second leadoff (hitter) with the No. 9 hitter when we start putting the pitcher in the lineup (in mid-March)."

      Second? Who is the first one?

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      • #4
        Will this derail the 100+ win season we were going to have?

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        • #5
          So how does this work if the #9 hitter sucks, and so does the leadoff hitter? (Kennedy and Izturis?)
          “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

          Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Razzy View Post
            So how does this work if the #9 hitter sucks, and so does the leadoff hitter? (Kennedy and Izturis?)
            It works because the rest of the lineup, minus Albert, also sucks.

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            • #7
              why is this is a surpirse?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by ElviswasaBluesFan View Post
                why is this is a surpirse?
                No idea. We did it for the second half of last year and there's been no indication that TLR changed his mind.

                I still say that Adam Wainwright deserves to hit ahead of Cesar Izturis on the merits.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kah View Post
                  No idea. We did it for the second half of last year and there's been no indication that TLR changed his mind.

                  I still say that Adam Wainwright deserves to hit ahead of Cesar Izturis on the merits.
                  I seem to recall someone doing an analysis that everytime TLR has batted the pitcher 8th, offensive output for the Cards has actually increased. Given that, why wouldn't he?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FAR52 View Post
                    I seem to recall someone doing an analysis that everytime TLR has batted the pitcher 8th, offensive output for the Cards has actually increased. Given that, why wouldn't he?
                    backstop would be the guy to go to for the hardcore VORPy studies, but from what I've read, the effect is positive, although only weakly so.

                    I wonder how the use of Cesar ".295 OBP" Izturis in the #9 hole would affect that.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FAR52 View Post
                      I seem to recall someone doing an analysis that everytime TLR has batted the pitcher 8th, offensive output for the Cards has actually increased. Given that, why wouldn't he?
                      Yeah, I seem to recall that as well, but the effect was only significant for when the team is sucky.

                      Moon

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Moon Man View Post
                        Yeah, I seem to recall that as well, but the effect was only significant for when the team is sucky.

                        Moon
                        The real question is when TLR will see the light and bat Molina in the clean up spot.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FAR52 View Post
                          The real question is when TLR will see the light and bat Molina in the clean up spot.
                          From your mouth to Tony's ears.

                          Moon

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FAR52 View Post
                            The real question is when TLR will see the light and bat Molina in the clean up spot.
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                            • #15
                              I think the end result will likely show that over time, this will make very, very little difference either way.

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