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    Top 50 Prospects

    Wainright checks in at 43. Hawksworth isn't even a honorable mention. No doubt he is a fine prospect, but he is just a product of us saying we have a bona fide pitching prospect, which is almost an oxymoron to begin with.

  • #2

    Shame on you for believing them.

    Jocketty never tells the truth when a lie will suffice.
    And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

    -The Artist formerly known as King in KC


    • #3
      I've learned to not trust anything Jocketty says about our prospects. I'm still waiting for Bud Smith to be the next John Tudor. Sans Pujols, who is simply a freak of nature and would have been a star anywhere in any place, who was the last hitting prospect the Cardinals drafted, developed, and contributed to the team?

      Dmitri Young wasn't around long enough, and he was the third overall pick. I'm struggling here.


      • #4
        Originally posted by Fishbone@Feb 25 2004, 01:47 PM
        Sans Pujols is simply a freak of nature and would have been a star anywhere in any place,
        He nearly wasnt a star here.

        They were going to take Bobby Fuckin Bonilla over him.

        Who knows.

        Maybe Albert would have been a mid season trade for a vet for the stretch run that would bolt the next season.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Fishbone@Feb 25 2004, 01:47 PM
          Sans Pujols
          It's easier to win arguments when you simply exclude the example that best contradicts your case.


          • #6
            Has Bud Smith been placed on waivers?
            Jimmy Buffett quote of the week:

            "Open season on the open seas and Captain says no prisoners please. Skull and crossbones on a background of black. We ain't stealin' we're just takin' back ."

            - Jimmy Buffett, Take it Back, Boats, Beaches, Bars and Ballads Box Set

            "Now, she should be good-looking, but we're willing to trade looks for a certain... morally casual attitude."



            • #7
              Originally posted by kah2523+Feb 25 2004, 05:36 PM-->
              QUOTE(kah2523 @ Feb 25 2004, 05:36 PM)

            • #8
              Originally posted by Fishbone@Feb 25 2004, 05:46 PM
              Jocketty and LaRussa didn't even recognize the degree of his talent, which further strengthens the argument. As somebody pointed out, he was never viewed as untouchable, and he would have in all likelihood been involved in a mid-season trade.
              Now you are completely making stuff up. Likely been involved in a midseason trade? What?

              The Cardinals had the foresight to draft Albert Pujols and promote him after just one year in the minors. They landed the best hitter of his generation. Then they signed him long term. Fans should be grateful. But this rather flies in the face of the whole "Walt and Tony suck" argument, so we must ignore these facts as much as possible.


              • #9
                Originally posted by Fishbone+Feb 25 2004, 05:46 PM-->
                QUOTE(Fishbone @ Feb 25 2004, 05:46 PM)
                Originally posted by kah2523@Feb 25 2004, 05:36 PM

              • #10
                I wish I knew how much it pained LaRussa to take a young Pujols over a flexible player like Wilson Delgado and put him on the roster. If Bonilla wasn't hurt, Pujols would have been in the minors. Maybe you are right, he would have torn up AAA and then maybe Jocketty would have the brains to not trade the guy. The point is, the Cardinals have one hitter on their team who they developed within the system, and I can't remember one of significance before Pujols.