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    LP candidates could affect outcome
    Of '04 presidential race, article says

    WASHINGTON, DC -- The Libertarian Party has received an unexpected burst
    of publicity from major news outlets over the past two weeks, with one
    article arguing that a third party candidate running as an independent or
    Libertarian "could sway the electorate enough to change history" in 2004
    if he or she received the kind of press attention that Ralph Nader has
    attracted.

    The positive articles from the Christian Science Monitor, CNN.com, the St.
    Louis Post-Dispatch and others show that "the LP is showing up very early
    on the news media's collective radar screen as it starts covering the 2004
    campaign," says the LP's communications director, George Getz. "The news
    media know that our candidates have a chance to make an impact in 2004
    because that's exactly what happened in 2000 and 2002."

    Lawrence R. Jacobs, director of the 2004 Elections Project for the
    Humphrey Institute at the University of Minnesota, writes in an April 20
    commentary in the Monitor that "the hot topic" for 2004 is whether Nader
    will again affect the outcome by taking a small but decisive percentage
    from likely Democratic nominee John Kerry.

    But, citing a study that found that 20 percent of voters are disaffected
    from both major parties, Jacobs concludes that "a significant number of
    them could be tapped by gifted candidates running as independent or
    Libertarian -- if these candidates received the kind of press attention
    that Nader has attracted."

    "While Nader hurts the presumed Democratic nominee John Kerry, voters open
    to conservative third-party candidates who promote small government and
    criticize ballooning government budget deficits pose a significant threat
    to President Bush's re-election effort," Jacobs writes. "Pundits have
    ignored the importance of the third-party swing vote, but the White House
    has not, working hard to head off damaging defections."

    The article cites example after example of swing states in which voters
    who want smaller government turned to Libertarian candidates rather than
    Republicans, costing the GOP seats in each case.

    In Wisconsin, for example, where Bush narrowly lost in 2000, Libertarian
    gubernatorial candidate Ed Thompson garnered 10.5 of the vote in 2002,
    "enough to help Democrat Jim Doyle break the four-term Republican hold on
    the statehouse," Jacobs says.

    Other key states where Libertarian candidates have done well enough to
    affect the outcome of Senatorial or gubernatorial races in 2000 or 2002
    include Nevada, New Hampshire and Missouri, he reports.

    All told, 2 percent or more of voters in 15 Senate and gubernatorial
    elections cast their votes for Libertarians in 2002, indicating that the
    LP could be "a decisive factor in a close contest between Messrs. Bush and
    Kerry," according to Jacobs's analysis.

    Jacobs also chastises pollsters who ignore third parties, warning that
    they "run the risk of missing the dynamics of the race and providing an
    inaccurate picture of the evolving campaign."

    The Christian Science Monitor article isn't the only one that has praised
    the LP lately, Getz notes.

    An April 19 article in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, prompted by the
    election of St. Louis County LP Chair Tamara Millay to local office, says,
    "Perhaps it's time that the Missouri Libertarian Party got a little
    respect."

    The column by Jo Mannies, one of the Post's veteran political reporters,
    describes Millay as "a prominent Missouri Libertarian" who has run for the
    U.S. House and U.S. Senate several times, and chronicles her campaign for
    marshal of Greendale, a St. Louis suburb. Millay is also seeking the
    party's nomination as vice president at the upcoming national convention
    in Atlanta over Memorial Day weekend.

    The election of Millay is one of two recent "political boosts" for the LP,
    the article says. The other is the naming of Bob Sullentrup of St.
    Charles, Mo., as the party's national secretary.

    "About a year ago, political life didn't look too great for Bob Sullentrup
    of St. Charles and his cohorts," Mannies writes. "But now, one of his
    party's stalwarts has been elected to a local public office, and
    Sullentrop is a top national leader."

    The article also acknowledges the LP's ballot access supremacy over other
    third parties, and points out that competing candidates, such as Ralph
    Nader, must still collect thousands of signatures to get on the Missouri
    ballot.

    "The fact is, the Libertarian Party's candidate for president -- the party
    will select its nominee next month -- is the only sure bet to be on
    Missouri's ballot against Republican incumbent George W. Bush and the
    likely Democratic nominee, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts," Mannies
    writes.

    The LP also played a prominent role in CNN.com's coverage of Tax Day, Getz
    pointed out.

    In a lighthearted look at April 15 headlined, "It's Tax Day, Let's Party,"
    CNN Money writer Gordon T. Anderson reported, "The Libertarian Party will
    show up at dozens of locations nationwide to promote limited government."

    In Minneapolis, he said, "Libertarians will carry signs emblazoned with
    Donald Trump's picture. The tag line: 'You're Fired, but I can't fire the
    IRS.' " Anderson also took note of one of the LP's favorite tax-day
    publicity gimmicks: handing out phony $1 million bills to dramatize the
    fact that the government spends $1 million every five seconds.
    Make America Great For Once.

  • #2
    Dream on Kev.
    And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

    -The Artist formerly known as King in KC

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Damtoft@Apr 23 2004, 08:59 PM
      Dream on Kev.
      John,

      I've been having give and takes with you online for over six years. We agree on some issues, and others we disagree. Some have gotten very heated. But dep inside, I've always respected your "brashness".

      Allow me to ask you this. I know you don't care for gubbermint' intervention into our lives no more than I. Why do you dismiss the LP party, out of hand?

      I may be wrong, but when I read what they stand for, it reads like an open look at many of the things you've expressed over the time I've known you.
      Make America Great For Once.

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      • #4
        Kev, he'll claim it until he has to defend it, then he hurls an insult. He'll slam the liberals until you pin him on the conservatives, when he'll throw them under the bus and claim no alliance. In this case, you share the libertarian views he appears to share with King, and he dismisses you as a dreamer. He's an empty suit...a critic...much more concerned with "winning" than communicating.

        Moe
        The Dude abides.

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        • #5
          Kev,

          Despite Moe's caterwauling (he does have those vapors, doesn't he?), I'll give you a real answer.

          The Libertarian Party has been around for many many years and they haven't done squat. The leaders of that Party are entirely ineffective. Their percentage of the vote is actually DECREASING as the years roll by.

          That's why Ed Crane & others went out and founded CATO. They figured it would be better to popularize their ideas since they couldn't get their candidates elected.

          The national LP is a complete waste of time.

          Sadly, we actually have a better shot at moving the Republicans to the place where we need them to be.

          Check out the Club for Growth.

          I'm a member and they are doing things - and winning.

          www.clubforgrowth.com
          And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

          -The Artist formerly known as King in KC

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          • #6
            a very rare and refreshing bit of substance...why you hide your light under a bushel basket papered with slurs I can't fathom...
            The Dude abides.

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            • #7
              It is good to see that other side of Damtoft once in a while.

              I think the best thing that could happen to our political system would be to allow other parties to compete for the presidency on an equal basis. Most debates now don't even allow 3rd party nominees to even participate. While I doubt we see this in our lifetimes, it would change the political landscape in the world quite drastically.
              *Syria becomes the 7th predominantly Muslim country bombed by 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate Barack Obama—after Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Iraq

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              • #8
                Haab,

                The major parties have way too much to lose to allow any such thing. That's why they intentionally blur their differences.

                Incrementalism is the rule.
                And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

                -The Artist formerly known as King in KC

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Damtoft@Apr 23 2004, 08:56 PM
                  Kev,

                  Despite Moe's caterwauling (he does have those vapors, doesn't he?), I'll give you a real answer.

                  The Libertarian Party has been around for many many years and they haven't done squat. The leaders of that Party are entirely ineffective. Their percentage of the vote is actually DECREASING as the years roll by.

                  That's why Ed Crane & others went out and founded CATO. They figured it would be better to popularize their ideas since they couldn't get their candidates elected.

                  The national LP is a complete waste of time.

                  Sadly, we actually have a better shot at moving the Republicans to the place where we need them to be.

                  Check out the Club for Growth.

                  I'm a member and they are doing things - and winning.

                  www.clubforgrowth.com
                  JD:

                  This is solid logic. My only problem with it is described in Hayek's famous piece "Why I am not a conservative":

                  It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments.
                  By 'conservatives' he means the American right, and by 'progressives' he means the American left.

                  By the way, lewrockwell.com posted this great essay by Hayek just yesterday. Here's the link. http://www.fahayek.org/index.php?article=177

                  John, remember the great Town Hall debate we participated in about this Hayek essay oh so many years ago? Great memories.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Damtoft@Apr 23 2004, 07:59 PM
                    Dream on Kev.
                    JD,

                    A little "sour puss" because we are taking votes away from your "precious party?" The Republican party needs to look inward, and fix itself. This growth of govt under GW and the Republican Congress is as bad as under any Democratic admin. Quite frankly, it nothing but a joke.. So much for smaller govt under them..

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                    • #11
                      Tailor,

                      That ain't my party.

                      But, too much sand in the crankcase of the national LP.
                      And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me.

                      -The Artist formerly known as King in KC

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