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    From today's NYT...try to kill the messenger if you wish, but this stuff is disappointing even to liberals who'd much prefer American competence...the failed post-war plan is one of GWB's biggest problems

    White House Says Iraq Sovereignty Could Be Limited
    By STEVEN R. WEISMAN

    Published: April 23, 2004

    WASHINGTON, April 22 — The Bush administration's plans for a new caretaker government in Iraq would place severe limits on its sovereignty, including only partial command over its armed forces and no authority to enact new laws, administration officials said Thursday.

    These restrictions to the plan negotiated with Lakhdar Brahimi, the special United Nations envoy, were presented in detail for the first time by top administration officials at Congressional hearings this week, culminating in long and intense questioning on Thursday at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's hearing on the goal of returning Iraq to self-rule on June 30.

    Only 10 weeks from the scheduled transfer of sovereignty, the administration is still not sure exactly who will govern in Baghdad, or precisely how they will be selected. A week ago, President Bush agreed to a recommendation by Mr. Brahimi to dismantle the existing Iraqi Governing Council, which was handpicked by the United States, and to replace it with a caretaker government whose makeup is to be decided next month.

    That government would stay in power until elections could be held, beginning next year.

    The administration's plans seem likely to face objections on several fronts. Several European and United Nations diplomats have said in interviews that they do not think the United Nations will approve a Security Council resolution sought by Washington that handcuffs the new Iraq government in its authority over its own armed forces, let alone foreign forces on its soil.

    These diplomats, and some American officials, said that if the American military command ordered a siege of an Iraqi city, for example, and there was no language calling for an Iraqi government to participate in the decision, the government might not be able to survive protests that could follow.

    The diplomats added that it might be unrealistic to expect the new Iraqi government not to demand the right to change Iraqi laws put in place by the American occupation under L. Paul Bremer III, including provisions limiting the influence of Islamic religious law.

    Democratic and Republican senators appeared frustrated on Thursday that so few details were known at this late stage in the transition process, and several senators focused on the question of who would be in charge of Iraq's security.
    The Dude abides.

  • #2
    Well, let's try it this way....whoever is willing to provide soliders to keep order can have a proportional say in how the government is going to work.

    Pony up, UN.

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    • #3
      Might the handover be prematurely scheduled - and a political smokescreen?
      The Dude abides.

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      • #4
        What are they supposed to do? If they hand over, it's premature and chaos will ensue. If they wait, they're an occupier who won't go home and more bodies return to be photographed.

        Bush is going to be assailed no matter what he does in this case. Hand the fuckin' place over to the UN and let them do the work for which they are so justly famous.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Moe_Szyslak@Apr 23 2004, 01:55 PM
          Might the handover be prematurely scheduled - and a political smokescreen?
          Yes, largely symbolic. For the general Iraqi population mostly.

          That is why they won't really have any "power"
          Un-Official Sponsor of Randy Choate and Kevin Siegrist

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lazydaze+Apr 23 2004, 03:00 PM-->
            QUOTE (lazydaze @ Apr 23 2004, 03:00 PM)

          • #7
            Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Apr 23 2004, 02:58 PM
            What are they supposed to do? If they hand over, it's premature and chaos will ensue. If they wait, they're an occupier who won't go home and more bodies return to be photographed.

            Bush is going to be assailed no matter what he does in this case. Hand the fuckin' place over to the UN and let them do the work for which they are so justly famous.
            My main issue, liberal or not, is : WHAT IS THE PLAN?

            This is something that should be pretty much done at this point.
            Dude. Can. Fly.

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            • #8
              That will be Lebron James', Tiger Woods', and my half birthday.

              And Kaiser's birthday.
              OFFICIAL SPONSOR OF RICK ANKIEL AND TRAVIS FISHER

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              • #9
                Originally posted by dvyyyyyy+Apr 23 2004, 02:03 PM-->
                QUOTE (dvyyyyyy @ Apr 23 2004, 02:03 PM)

              • #10
                My main issue, liberal or not, is : WHAT IS THE PLAN?
                The plan is to patch together anything that we can make look passable, with the UN's help, by June 30 so we can back the hell off and stop getting our guys killed.

                After Bush's re-election -- heh heh -- we can go back and give really big guns to the good guys.

                All six of 'em.

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                • #11
                  I would imagine they had a "plan" it just hasn’t worked according too, you guessed it, "plan"
                  I imagine a large part of that plan included something about 24 million Iraqis doing something other than hiding in their fucking basements, waiting for the next dictator to come along and tell them what time to go to work.

                  Predictably, these fucks aren't worth the trouble.

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                  • #12
                    Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Apr 23 2004, 03:09 PM
                    I would imagine they had a "plan" it just hasn’t worked according too, you guessed it, "plan"
                    I imagine a large part of that plan included something about 24 million Iraqis doing something other than hiding in their fucking basements, waiting for the next dictator to come along and tell them what time to go to work.

                    Predictably, these fucks aren't worth the trouble.
                    You're where you always end up...kill 'em all. Very good strategy.
                    The Dude abides.

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                    • #13
                      Where do you end up, boss?

                      I'm all ears.

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by lazydaze+Apr 23 2004, 03:07 PM-->
                        QUOTE (lazydaze @ Apr 23 2004, 03:07 PM)
                        Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 02:03 PM

                      • #15
                        Given the situation, dyyyyyyyyyyyyy, what do you recommend?

                        Not arguing; would like to hear your views. Maybe you can inspire Moe.

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