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  • Heinz Ketchup supports Bush!

    HAHAHAHAHAHA I know the GOPer's here have already read this on Drudge and have been patiently waiting for their hypocrisy to be thrust back into their faces.

    Remember all the talk of Heinz Ketchup (and The Ketchup Kid) supporting the Heinz factories overseas - how hypocritical it was for Kerry to take Heinz money while criticizing "outsourcing". Well, well, well, it turns out that the Heinz company, which Kerry's wife does not manage - supports THE GOP!

    All right Damtoft and others - your crow is being served with extra Ketchup.
    Come 'n' git it!

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=...ics_1&printer=1

    Heinz Co. Is Campaign Weapon for Bush
    Tue Apr 20, 3:45 PM ET

    By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - Though John Kerry (news - web sites)'s wife is an heir to the H.J. Heinz Co. fortune, the food company and its executives are providing President Bush (news - web sites) with money and a campaign issue — jobs flowing overseas — in this year's election.

    Members of the board of the Fortune 500 company and its corporate political action committee have donated thousands of dollars to Republicans in recent years, including contributions to the Bush campaign. The corporate PAC has given nothing to Kerry.

    The Republicans are accepting the cash even as they criticize the Pittsburgh-based company's job cuts and overseas moves — part of an effort to taint the presumptive Democratic nominee with the conglomerate's business practices.

    While Teresa Heinz Kerry gained much of her $500 million portfolio through her Heinz inheritance, she does not serve on the board and is not involved with the management of the company. Even her late husband, Sen. H. John Heinz III, R-Pa., did not serve on the board.

    No Heinz family member has been employed by the company or served on its board since H.J. "Jack" Heinz II, its chairman, died in 1987.

    Heinz Kerry, who heads the separate Heinz Family Foundation and the Howard Heinz Endowment, owns less than 4 percent of the company's stock. Major Heinz stockholders include the company's top executives, led by Chairman William R. Johnson, as well as beer magnate Peter Coors and former Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver and pro football Hall of Famer Lynn Swann.

    During the campaign, Kerry has criticized companies that move jobs overseas or shift their tax status abroad to avoid federal taxes, calling them "Benedict Arnold" businesses. He has faulted the Bush administration for embracing a tax policy that rewards them.

    Republicans, in response, have pointed to the Kerrys' ties to Heinz, calling the four-term Massachusetts senator a hypocrite for slamming policies that have poured millions into his wife's bank account.

    Stuck in what it fears is a food fight is the Heinz Co., which is trying desperately to keep the campaign out of its ketchup sales. In the last few months, the company — which gets about 5,000 phone calls a month — has fielded 800 calls from consumers with questions or complaints about the company's connections to Kerry, his wife and the campaign, said spokeswoman Debbie Foster.

    A look at the company's campaign donations shows a preference for Republicans. In the past six years, the Heinz company's political action committee gave more than $64,000 to GOP candidates, nearly three times the amount given to Democrats. It contributed $5,000 to Bush's campaign. It has shunned the Kerry campaign, but the PAC gave $5,000 to the Massachusetts Democratic Party.

    Johnson also put his money on the GOP, giving more than $20,000 to Republican congressional committees and candidates since 1999. Other board members have also contributed to Republicans, giving money to Bush's campaign and Pennsylvania's two Republican senators, Arlen Specter and Rick Santorum.

    Company spokesman Jack Kennedy said Heinz is nonpartisan and the PAC gives money to both parties. The heavy Republican totals, he said, may just be an indication of where corporate facilities are located.

    Determined to make clear that it is not connected to the Kerry campaign, the Heinz company has issued statements about the relationship. "We want to make sure people buy our products on their merit. We're an equal-opportunity condiment," Kennedy said.

    According to Kerry's financial disclosure report filed last May, Heinz Kerry owns more than $4 million worth of company stock. Heinz Kerry sold more than $14.8 million worth of Heinz stock in 2002.

    "No, they don't run the company, but they still own a lot of stock. And Teresa has had a long relationship with the company," said James Glassman, a columnist and economic analyst at the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C. "I think it's absolutely legitimate to point to Heinz and say here's a company with a close association with Kerry that is doing exactly the thing Kerry is condemning."

    Republican National Committee (news - web sites) spokeswoman Christine Iverson said the GOP is not going after the Heinz Co. but "will continue to point out John Kerry's hypocrisy when his record on the issues does not match his rhetoric."

    Last month, the RNC issued a lengthy critique of the Heinz company, detailing hundreds of layoffs and plant closings in five states over the past nine years and pointing out jobs it created in other countries.

    The multibillion-dollar Heinz Co. has about 38,900 workers worldwide, with 30 percent located in 27 factories scattered across 17 states. The other 70 percent work in facilities overseas.

    About 60 percent of the company's sales are outside America, and the products sold in other countries are often made and marketed locally and in some cases are unique to that region. Tomatoes for ketchup sold in the United States are grown largely in the regions surrounding the major processing plants in Ohio, Iowa and California.

    Besides its name brands, Heinz also makes and markets OreIda potatoes, Smart Ones frozen foods and Classico sauces. The company has 50 affiliates operating in 200 countries.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Trigfunctions@Apr 21 2004, 09:01 AM
    Remember all the talk of Heinz Ketchup (and The Ketchup Kid) supporting the Heinz factories overseas - how hypocritical it was for Kerry to take Heinz money while criticizing "outsourcing". Well, well, well, it turns out that the Heinz company, which Kerry's wife does not manage - supports THE GOP!
    I thought people were talking about Kerry and/or his wife holding Heinz stock despite their outsourcing. I don't remember talk of Heinz supporting Kerry.
    "Need some wood?" -- George W. Bush, October 8, 2004

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    • #3
      I'm searching for the thread we had about Heinz outsourcing and can't find it. Has it disappeared? I'm not sure how long this forum archives posts.
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      • #4
        Trig:

        I don't recall the specifics of that debate. Was it a Kerry is opposed to outsourcing yet owns a ton of stock in Heinz which outsources, thus making him a hypocrite type of argument?

        I would think most politicians could be labeled as hypocrites with respect to this issue. From a political perspective, no one wants to be on record as saying that outsourcing jobs is a good thing. The press would rake them over the coals. Yet I think many well respected economists believe that in the long run, it is very good for the U.S. economy.

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        • #5
          Ah - here it is. The serach feature defaults to 30 days old, and you have to change the setting to search for older posts.

          http://sportlounge.net/forum/index.php?sho...c=63&hl=ketchup

          And here's a quote form JD:
          We need to encourage Teresa and John to MOVE THOSE JOBS BACK TO THE US!

          Stop producing ketchup in those 57 FOREIGN factories.
          HILARIOUS! The Heinz corporation actively supports the GOP!!!!
          2005 Mandatory Loyalty Oath: I love America, our troops, baseball, Moms, and certain pies. I want no harm to come to any of those institutions, nor do I take any glee in their demise.

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          • #6
            I think the argument, at least from my point of view was, it's hypocritical for Kerry and his wife to profit off of companies like Heinz and Wal-Mart, and then criticize the practices of corporate America.

            I did look at Heinz though and found that they don't appear to outsource any work. I think their overseas factories supply overseas markets, which I don't have a problem with.
            Asked what he would do differently in Iraq, Kerry said, "Right now, what I would do differently is, I mean, look, I'm not the president, and I didn't create this mess so I don't want to acknowledge a mistake that I haven't made."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BurnKU@Apr 21 2004, 09:29 AM
              I think the argument, at least from my point of view was, it's hypocritical for Kerry and his wife to profit off of companies like Heinz and Wal-Mart, and then criticize the practices of corporate America.

              I did look at Heinz though and found that they don't appear to outsource any work. I think their overseas factories supply overseas markets, which I don't have a problem with.
              Last month, the RNC issued a lengthy critique of the Heinz company, detailing hundreds of layoffs and plant closings in five states over the past nine years and pointing out jobs it created in other countries.

              The multibillion-dollar Heinz Co. has about 38,900 workers worldwide, with 30 percent located in 27 factories scattered across 17 states. The other 70 percent work in facilities overseas.

              About 60 percent of the company's sales are outside America, and the products sold in other countries are often made and marketed locally and in some cases are unique to that region. Tomatoes for ketchup sold in the United States are grown largely in the regions surrounding the major processing plants in Ohio, Iowa and California.
              2005 Mandatory Loyalty Oath: I love America, our troops, baseball, Moms, and certain pies. I want no harm to come to any of those institutions, nor do I take any glee in their demise.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Trigfunctions@Apr 21 2004, 09:28 AM
                Ah - here it is. The serach feature defaults to 30 days old, and you have to change the setting to search for older posts.

                http://sportlounge.net/forum/index.php?sho...c=63&hl=ketchup

                And here's a quote form JD:
                We need to encourage Teresa and John to MOVE THOSE JOBS BACK TO THE US!

                Stop producing ketchup in those 57 FOREIGN factories.
                HILARIOUS! The Heinz corporation actively supports the GOP!!!!
                Dude, give it up. It's not hillarious. You haven't come up with anything particularly interesting.

                This doesn't counter much of anything said in that other thread.
                "Need some wood?" -- George W. Bush, October 8, 2004

                "Historians will judge if this war is just, not your punk ass." -- Dave Glover, December 8, 2004

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Trigfunctions+Apr 21 2004, 09:33 AM-->
                  QUOTE (Trigfunctions @ Apr 21 2004, 09:33 AM)

                • #10
                  Originally posted by Trigfunctions+Apr 21 2004, 09:33 AM-->
                  QUOTE (Trigfunctions @ Apr 21 2004, 09:33 AM)

                • #11
                  You know, I wasn't even involved much in that thread, but this is hilarious...


                  Is this what you are crowing about Trig?
                  It contributed $5,000 to Bush's campaign.
                  seriously? wow, substance has gotten scarce.

                  the PAC gave $5,000 to the Massachusetts Democratic Party.
                  where is Kerry from?


                  And finally,

                  "No, they don't run the company, but they still own a lot of stock. And Teresa has had a long relationship with the company," said James Glassman, a columnist and economic analyst at the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C. "I think it's absolutely legitimate to point to Heinz and say here's a company with a close association with Kerry that is doing exactly the thing Kerry is condemning."

                  What is Bush stance on outsourcing?
                  Someone made a statement that received a lot of press that was attributed to him, what was it?
                  Somethin 'bout outsourcing being good or something.



                  Anyway, there seemed to be a little too much back slappin and cheering going on trig.
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                  • #12
                    Originally posted by phantom@Apr 21 2004, 09:34 AM
                    Dude, give it up. It's not hillarious. You haven't come up with anything particularly interesting.

                    This doesn't counter much of anything said in that other thread.
                    Sorry, but it is hilarious.

                    The GOP and their mouthpieces here attack Kerry because his wife's company "outsources" ketchup.

                    Of course, Kerry's wife has no control over the company and the company isn't actually outsourcing anything.

                    But, the GOP still attacks the Heinz company for outsourcing, and Kerry by association, even thought the GOP is much, more encouraging of outsourcing than the Democrats.

                    Then, it turns out that the Heinz company has been an active supporter of the GOP for years.

                    Now, is it hypocritical for the GOP to take their money while criticizing them for outsourcing (as Kerry was accused)?

                    Is it hypocritical for the GOP to criticize Kerry for doing exactly what they have been doing for years (taking money from Heinz)?

                    Or, is it just another example of the GOP trying to throw whatever shit against the wall they can concoct to try to smear Kerry and this time, as it often does, it has splashed back onto their own faces?
                    2005 Mandatory Loyalty Oath: I love America, our troops, baseball, Moms, and certain pies. I want no harm to come to any of those institutions, nor do I take any glee in their demise.

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                    • #13
                      Nice picking and choosing lazydaze. I understand why you didn't want to list all of the donations in the article.

                      A look at the company's campaign donations shows a preference for Republicans. In the past six years, the Heinz company's political action committee gave more than $64,000 to GOP candidates, nearly three times the amount given to Democrats. It contributed $5,000 to Bush's campaign. It has shunned the Kerry campaign, but the PAC gave $5,000 to the Massachusetts Democratic Party.

                      Johnson also put his money on the GOP, giving more than $20,000 to Republican congressional committees and candidates since 1999. Other board members have also contributed to Republicans, giving money to Bush's campaign and Pennsylvania's two Republican senators, Arlen Specter and Rick Santorum.
                      2005 Mandatory Loyalty Oath: I love America, our troops, baseball, Moms, and certain pies. I want no harm to come to any of those institutions, nor do I take any glee in their demise.

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by Trigfunctions+Apr 21 2004, 09:42 AM-->
                        QUOTE (Trigfunctions @ Apr 21 2004, 09:42 AM)

                      • #15
                        My favorite:


                        The Republicans are accepting the cash even as they criticize the Pittsburgh-based company's job cuts and overseas moves — part of an effort to taint the presumptive Democratic nominee with the conglomerate's business practices.
                        Whoops! Where's JD and his "moral high ground" tripe?
                        Dude. Can. Fly.

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