Mubarek: Arabs hate U.S. more than ever

[dv6y]

Mubarak: Arabs Hate U.S. More Than Ever

PARIS (Reuters) - Arabs in the Middle East hate the United States more than ever following the invasion of Iraq (news - web sites) and Israel's assassination of two Hamas leaders, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak (news - web sites) said in comments published Tuesday.

Mubarak, who visited the United States last week, told French newspaper Le Monde that Washington's actions had caused despair, frustration and a sense of injustice in the Arab world.

"Today there is hatred of the Americans like never before in the region," he said in an interview given during a stay in France, where he met President Jacques Chirac Monday.

He blamed the hostility partly on U.S. support for Israel, which assassinated Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in a missile strike in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) Saturday weeks after killing his predecessor, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.

"At the start some considered the Americans were helping them. There was no hatred of the Americans. After what has happened in Iraq, there is unprecedented hatred and the Americans know it," Mubarak said.

He blamed the hostility partly on U.S. support for Israel, which assassinated Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in a missile strike in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) Saturday weeks after killing his predecessor, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.


"At the start some considered the Americans were helping them. There was no hatred of the Americans. After what has happened in Iraq, there is unprecedented hatred and the Americans know it," Mubarak said.

"People have a feeling of injustice. What's more, they see (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon acting as he pleases, without the Americans saying anything. He assassinates people who don't have the planes and helicopters that he has."

Israel says such killings are self-defense. But Mubarak said the assassination of Rantissi could have "serious consequences" and that instability in Gaza and Iraq would not serve U.S. or Israeli interests.

"The despair and feeling of injustice are not going to be limited to our region alone. American and Israeli interests will not be safe, not only in our region but anywhere in the world," he said.

Asked about Sharon's plan to pull out of Gaza, Mubarak welcomed any withdrawal that was agreed with the Palestinians and in line with a peace "road map" drawn up by the United States, the European Union (news - web sites), the United Nations (news - web sites) and Russia.

[Reggie Cleveland]

Hmmmm. So Arab hatred of America has gone from 9.8 to 9.9.

Oh, dear.

[dv6y]

Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Apr 20 2004, 08:35 AM
Hmmmm. So Arab hatred of America has gone from 9.8 to 9.9.

Oh, dear.

It's cause they hate freedom. Just like Spain and Honduras, now in the Coalition of the Unwilling.

[King]

Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Apr 20 2004, 08:35 AM
Hmmmm. So Arab hatred of America has gone from 9.8 to 9.9.

Oh, dear.

What got it to 9.8 in the first place, Reg?

And please don't say they hate us because of our virtues.

[dv6y]

Originally posted by King in KC+Apr 20 2004, 08:55 AM-->

QUOTE (King in KC @ Apr 20 2004, 08:55 AM)

BringBackZezel El Guapo Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 42770 Share Tweet #6 04-20-2004, 09:01 AM I'm glad they hate us for our freedom. I was worried they might hate us because we attacked and took over an arabic country completely unprovoked. Official Lounge Sponsor of: MIGOTS!, TJ Oshie, David Freese, Sponsoring Softball Players, Trout, Bon Jovi, Cold, hard facts, rigidly defined with mathematical precision, The abortion boat, which traveled to Poland in 2003 and Ireland in 2001. Former Lounge Sponsor of: The Hebrew Hammer, BBZ, Foods that start with the letter 'Q', Paul 'Visor' Mitchell, FBBHOFer Brett "William" Wallace, BBFHOF, THE LALPHABET: A B C D E F G H I J K L M N I Z M N O P Q R S T U V Z T U V X Y X Z, The Return of MarkD. Comment Post Cancel Reggie Cleveland Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 120452 Share Tweet #7 04-20-2004, 09:02 AM What got it to 9.8 in the first place, Reg? Because the Arab world has always needed a scapegoat for their shithole countries and their shithole lives. That's why they hate Israel -- who invented a country in 1948 and did immediately what Arabs hadn't done very well since the dawn of history, which is create a standard of living worth having -- and that's why they hate us. If the US and Israel disappeared tomorrow, they'd only move on to someone else. It's a hell of a lot easier than taking responsibility. Comment Post Cancel WinstonSmith Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10553 Share Tweet #8 04-20-2004, 09:03 AM Then I guess he'd be in favor of the US ceasing to send, what, about 1B$ to Egypt each year? When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night." Comment Post Cancel phantom Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4427 Share Tweet #9 04-20-2004, 09:24 AM Originally posted by dvyyyyyy+Apr 20 2004, 08:28 AM--> QUOTE (dvyyyyyy @ Apr 20 2004, 08:28 AM) "At the start some considered the Americans were helping them. There was no hatred of the Americans. After what has happened in Iraq, there is unprecedented hatred and the Americans know it," Mubarak said. [/b] At the start of what? the Iraq invasion? If so, I don't know what changed to change their minds so much. I don't think Reggie is far off. I don't think it would be as easy as some think to stop pissing off fanatical Arabs. I believe that if we tried to pull completely out of Mid East affairs (which isn't really possible) they'd still find reason to hate us. And we'd find a much larger threat from fanatical Muslims 30-50 years from now. And by then, it would be much harder to win the battle. It is possible that this is a threat that will have to be fought at some point in the next 50 years regardless of how hard you try to avoid it. King Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9576 Share Tweet #10 04-20-2004, 09:27 AM Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Apr 20 2004, 09:02 AM What got it to 9.8 in the first place, Reg? Because the Arab world has always needed a scapegoat for their shithole countries and their shithole lives. That's why they hate Israel -- who invented a country in 1948 and did immediately what Arabs hadn't done very well since the dawn of history, which is create a standard of living worth having -- and that's why they hate us. If the US and Israel disappeared tomorrow, they'd only move on to someone else. It's a hell of a lot easier than taking responsibility. Wow, what a broad brush you wield, Reginald. What do you spend most of your day thinking about? Let me guess - a mixture of family, job, future, sports, recreation, nonesense, and a million other things. Why do you think Arabs are any different? I'd say 99% of them don't give a shit about the United States. They hope their kid's runny nose goes away soon, hope the neighborhood soccer team wins their next match, and wonder if they will get to see their cousins in a couple of weeks. You really think they sit around all day steaming about the U.S. as a scapegoat for all their problems? And that this is a reason to militarily emasculate their country, so that this supposed seething hatred doesn't bubble up again any time soon? Comment Post Cancel Moon Man Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 85250 Share Tweet #11 04-20-2004, 09:40 AM Because the Arab world has always needed a scapegoat for their shithole countries and their shithole lives. That's why they hate Israel -- who invented a country in 1948 and did immediately what Arabs hadn't done very well since the dawn of history, which is create a standard of living worth having -- and that's why they hate us. Uh, Israel didn't "invent" anything. The Brits gave them their country, and despite the generosity, that wasn't enough, so the Israelis had to kick out a few thousand Arabs so they could extend the borders to what they thought was appropriate circa 1948. That kind of pissed off the Arabs just a smidge, and keep in mind this was before the Israelis had anything resembling a standard of living. They were still living in tents on kibbutzim. The Arabs were pissed about getting shafted by the Limeys, but that's not an uncommon sentiment around the world. And since we are their heir (both as superpower and culturally) we get to deal with the shit. Moon Comment Post Cancel Reggie Cleveland Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 120452 Share Tweet #12 04-20-2004, 09:42 AM What do you spend most of your day thinking about? Chicks with dicks Comment Post Cancel Reggie Cleveland Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 120452 Share Tweet #13 04-20-2004, 09:43 AM You really think they sit around all day steaming about the U.S. as a scapegoat for all their problems? And that this is a reason to militarily emasculate their country, so that this supposed seething hatred doesn't bubble up again any time soon? Well, enlighten me, then. Where DOES the 9.8 come from? Comment Post Cancel Reggie Cleveland Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 120452 Share Tweet #14 04-20-2004, 09:45 AM Moon -- Yes, they were given a country. And some Arabs got shoved aside, but not the entire freakin' Arab population of the planet, which is who currently sees us as the Great Satan. And yes, they were living in tents at the beginning, but they sure as hell ain't living in tents now. Abdul still is, and that's the point. Comment Post Cancel lazydaze Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 34777 Share Tweet #15 04-20-2004, 09:46 AM He blamed the hostility partly on U.S. support for Israel, which assassinated Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in a missile strike in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) Saturday weeks after killing his predecessor, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. "At the start some considered the Americans were helping them. There was no hatred of the Americans. After what has happened in Iraq, there is unprecedented hatred and the Americans know it," Mubarak said. "People have a feeling of injustice. What's more, they see (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon acting as he pleases, without the Americans saying anything. He assassinates people who don't have the planes and helicopters that he has." Interesting. 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[BringBackZezel]

I'm glad they hate us for our freedom. I was worried they might hate us because we attacked and took over an arabic country completely unprovoked.

[Reggie Cleveland]

What got it to 9.8 in the first place, Reg?

Because the Arab world has always needed a scapegoat for their shithole countries and their shithole lives. That's why they hate Israel -- who invented a country in 1948 and did immediately what Arabs hadn't done very well since the dawn of history, which is create a standard of living worth having -- and that's why they hate us.

If the US and Israel disappeared tomorrow, they'd only move on to someone else. It's a hell of a lot easier than taking responsibility.

[WinstonSmith]

Then I guess he'd be in favor of the US ceasing to send, what, about 1B$
to Egypt each year?

[phantom]

Originally posted by dvyyyyyy+Apr 20 2004, 08:28 AM-->

QUOTE (dvyyyyyy @ Apr 20 2004, 08:28 AM)

"At the start some considered the Americans were helping them. There was no hatred of the Americans. After what has happened in Iraq, there is unprecedented hatred and the Americans know it," Mubarak said. [/b] At the start of what? the Iraq invasion? If so, I don't know what changed to change their minds so much. I don't think Reggie is far off. I don't think it would be as easy as some think to stop pissing off fanatical Arabs. I believe that if we tried to pull completely out of Mid East affairs (which isn't really possible) they'd still find reason to hate us. And we'd find a much larger threat from fanatical Muslims 30-50 years from now. And by then, it would be much harder to win the battle. It is possible that this is a threat that will have to be fought at some point in the next 50 years regardless of how hard you try to avoid it. King Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9576 Share Tweet #10 04-20-2004, 09:27 AM Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Apr 20 2004, 09:02 AM What got it to 9.8 in the first place, Reg? Because the Arab world has always needed a scapegoat for their shithole countries and their shithole lives. That's why they hate Israel -- who invented a country in 1948 and did immediately what Arabs hadn't done very well since the dawn of history, which is create a standard of living worth having -- and that's why they hate us. If the US and Israel disappeared tomorrow, they'd only move on to someone else. It's a hell of a lot easier than taking responsibility. Wow, what a broad brush you wield, Reginald. What do you spend most of your day thinking about? Let me guess - a mixture of family, job, future, sports, recreation, nonesense, and a million other things. Why do you think Arabs are any different? I'd say 99% of them don't give a shit about the United States. They hope their kid's runny nose goes away soon, hope the neighborhood soccer team wins their next match, and wonder if they will get to see their cousins in a couple of weeks. You really think they sit around all day steaming about the U.S. as a scapegoat for all their problems? And that this is a reason to militarily emasculate their country, so that this supposed seething hatred doesn't bubble up again any time soon? Comment Post Cancel Moon Man Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 85250 Share Tweet #11 04-20-2004, 09:40 AM Because the Arab world has always needed a scapegoat for their shithole countries and their shithole lives. That's why they hate Israel -- who invented a country in 1948 and did immediately what Arabs hadn't done very well since the dawn of history, which is create a standard of living worth having -- and that's why they hate us. Uh, Israel didn't "invent" anything. The Brits gave them their country, and despite the generosity, that wasn't enough, so the Israelis had to kick out a few thousand Arabs so they could extend the borders to what they thought was appropriate circa 1948. That kind of pissed off the Arabs just a smidge, and keep in mind this was before the Israelis had anything resembling a standard of living. They were still living in tents on kibbutzim. The Arabs were pissed about getting shafted by the Limeys, but that's not an uncommon sentiment around the world. And since we are their heir (both as superpower and culturally) we get to deal with the shit. Moon Comment Post Cancel Reggie Cleveland Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 120452 Share Tweet #12 04-20-2004, 09:42 AM What do you spend most of your day thinking about? Chicks with dicks Comment Post Cancel Reggie Cleveland Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 120452 Share Tweet #13 04-20-2004, 09:43 AM You really think they sit around all day steaming about the U.S. as a scapegoat for all their problems? And that this is a reason to militarily emasculate their country, so that this supposed seething hatred doesn't bubble up again any time soon? Well, enlighten me, then. Where DOES the 9.8 come from? Comment Post Cancel Reggie Cleveland Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 120452 Share Tweet #14 04-20-2004, 09:45 AM Moon -- Yes, they were given a country. And some Arabs got shoved aside, but not the entire freakin' Arab population of the planet, which is who currently sees us as the Great Satan. And yes, they were living in tents at the beginning, but they sure as hell ain't living in tents now. Abdul still is, and that's the point. Comment Post Cancel lazydaze Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 34777 Share Tweet #15 04-20-2004, 09:46 AM He blamed the hostility partly on U.S. support for Israel, which assassinated Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in a missile strike in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) Saturday weeks after killing his predecessor, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. "At the start some considered the Americans were helping them. There was no hatred of the Americans. After what has happened in Iraq, there is unprecedented hatred and the Americans know it," Mubarak said. "People have a feeling of injustice. What's more, they see (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon acting as he pleases, without the Americans saying anything. He assassinates people who don't have the planes and helicopters that he has." Interesting. So the Iraq war did not initially enflame the "arab streets". It was only when coupled with the assassinations by Israel and our non condemnation of it. 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[King]

Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Apr 20 2004, 09:02 AM

What got it to 9.8 in the first place, Reg?

Because the Arab world has always needed a scapegoat for their shithole countries and their shithole lives. That's why they hate Israel -- who invented a country in 1948 and did immediately what Arabs hadn't done very well since the dawn of history, which is create a standard of living worth having -- and that's why they hate us.

If the US and Israel disappeared tomorrow, they'd only move on to someone else. It's a hell of a lot easier than taking responsibility.

Wow, what a broad brush you wield, Reginald.

What do you spend most of your day thinking about?

Let me guess - a mixture of family, job, future, sports, recreation, nonesense, and a million other things.

Why do you think Arabs are any different? I'd say 99% of them don't give a shit about the United States. They hope their kid's runny nose goes away soon, hope the neighborhood soccer team wins their next match, and wonder if they will get to see their cousins in a couple of weeks.

You really think they sit around all day steaming about the U.S. as a scapegoat for all their problems? And that this is a reason to militarily emasculate their country, so that this supposed seething hatred doesn't bubble up again any time soon?

[Moon Man]

Because the Arab world has always needed a scapegoat for their shithole countries and their shithole lives. That's why they hate Israel -- who invented a country in 1948 and did immediately what Arabs hadn't done very well since the dawn of history, which is create a standard of living worth having -- and that's why they hate us.

Uh, Israel didn't "invent" anything. The Brits gave them their country, and despite the generosity, that wasn't enough, so the Israelis had to kick out a few thousand Arabs so they could extend the borders to what they thought was appropriate circa 1948. That kind of pissed off the Arabs just a smidge, and keep in mind this was before the Israelis had anything resembling a standard of living. They were still living in tents on kibbutzim. The Arabs were pissed about getting shafted by the Limeys, but that's not an uncommon sentiment around the world. And since we are their heir (both as superpower and culturally) we get to deal with the shit.

Moon

[Reggie Cleveland]

What do you spend most of your day thinking about?

Chicks with dicks

[Reggie Cleveland]

You really think they sit around all day steaming about the U.S. as a scapegoat for all their problems? And that this is a reason to militarily emasculate their country, so that this supposed seething hatred doesn't bubble up again any time soon?

Well, enlighten me, then. Where DOES the 9.8 come from?

[Reggie Cleveland]

Moon --

Yes, they were given a country. And some Arabs got shoved aside, but not the entire freakin' Arab population of the planet, which is who currently sees us as the Great Satan.

And yes, they were living in tents at the beginning, but they sure as hell ain't living in tents now. Abdul still is, and that's the point.

[lazydaze]

He blamed the hostility partly on U.S. support for Israel, which assassinated Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in a missile strike in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) Saturday weeks after killing his predecessor, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.


"At the start some considered the Americans were helping them. There was no hatred of the Americans. After what has happened in Iraq, there is unprecedented hatred and the Americans know it," Mubarak said.

"People have a feeling of injustice. What's more, they see (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon acting as he pleases, without the Americans saying anything. He assassinates people who don't have the planes and helicopters that he has."

Interesting.

So the Iraq war did not initially enflame the "arab streets". It was only when coupled with the assassinations by Israel and our non condemnation of it.