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    Cheney driving force behind war, Bob Woddard telling interesting story.
    Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

  • #2
    OH wow, Saudi's promise to help Dubya win 2004 election!
    Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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    • #3
      Can I ask a friendly question?

      Do you have an orgasm EVERYTIME 60 minutes is on?

      If you believe in something sacrifice a hobo to it or don't bother.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Turd Ferguson@Apr 18 2004, 06:26 PM
        Can I ask a friendly question?

        Do you have an orgasm EVERYTIME 60 minutes is on?

        damn close.

        news is good, thinking is good.
        Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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        • #5
          'I'm not a very smart man JenNay'
          Are you on the list?

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          • #6
            Do they own his book company?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by pgrote@Apr 18 2004, 06:57 PM
              Do they own his book company?
              nope.
              Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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              • #8
                I'll be interesting to see how if this book is bad toward Bush people spin Woodward given that he wrote what was essentially a Bush propoganda piece in "Bush At War" ...
                Dude. Can. Fly.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pgrote@Apr 18 2004, 05:57 PM
                  Do they own his book company?
                  Yes.


                  Both CBS News and Simon & Schuster, the publisher of Woodward's book, are units of Viacom.
                  Dude. Can. Fly.

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                  • #10
                    So it was no big deal to draw up _plans_ ahead of time for a war in Iraq, right?

                    Was it any big deal to spend $700 million ahead of time for a war in Iraq?


                    “And there's this low boil on Iraq until the day before Thanksgiving, Nov. 21, 2001. This is 72 days after 9/11. This is part of this secret history. President Bush, after a National Security Council meeting, takes Don Rumsfeld aside, collars him physically, and takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says, ‘What have you got in terms of plans for Iraq? What is the status of the war plan? I want you to get on it. I want you to keep it secret.’"

                    Woodward says immediately after that, Rumsfeld told Gen. Tommy Franks to develop a war plan to invade Iraq and remove Saddam - and that Rumsfeld gave Franks a blank check.

                    ”Rumsfeld and Franks work out a deal essentially where Franks can spend any money he needs. And so he starts building runways and pipelines and doing all the preparations in Kuwait, specifically to make war possible,” says Woodward.

                    “Gets to a point where in July, the end of July 2002, they need $700 million, a large amount of money for all these tasks. And the president approves it. But Congress doesn't know and it is done. They get the money from a supplemental appropriation for the Afghan War, which Congress has approved. …Some people are gonna look at a document called the Constitution which says that no money will be drawn from the Treasury unless appropriated by Congress. Congress was totally in the dark on this."


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                    Dude. Can. Fly.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dvyyyyyy@Apr 19 2004, 07:58 AM
                      So it was no big deal to draw up _plans_ ahead of time for a war in Iraq, right?

                      Was it any big deal to spend $700 million ahead of time for a war in Iraq?


                      “And there's this low boil on Iraq until the day before Thanksgiving, Nov. 21, 2001. This is 72 days after 9/11. This is part of this secret history. President Bush, after a National Security Council meeting, takes Don Rumsfeld aside, collars him physically, and takes him into a little cubbyhole room and closes the door and says, ‘What have you got in terms of plans for Iraq? What is the status of the war plan? I want you to get on it. I want you to keep it secret.’"

                      Woodward says immediately after that, Rumsfeld told Gen. Tommy Franks to develop a war plan to invade Iraq and remove Saddam - and that Rumsfeld gave Franks a blank check.

                      ”Rumsfeld and Franks work out a deal essentially where Franks can spend any money he needs. And so he starts building runways and pipelines and doing all the preparations in Kuwait, specifically to make war possible,” says Woodward.

                      “Gets to a point where in July, the end of July 2002, they need $700 million, a large amount of money for all these tasks. And the president approves it. But Congress doesn't know and it is done. They get the money from a supplemental appropriation for the Afghan War, which Congress has approved. …Some people are gonna look at a document called the Constitution which says that no money will be drawn from the Treasury unless appropriated by Congress. Congress was totally in the dark on this."


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                      One more piece of evidence against Bush and what his priorities were.

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                      • #12


                        This is a fun story. Apparently Saudi Arabia knew we were going to war 2 days before the Sec. of State and 3 months before the American people.

                        Where are all those that complain about Clinton's relationship with the Chinese?


                        Prince Bandar enjoys easy access to the Oval Office. His family and the Bush family are close. And Woodward told 60 Minutes that Bandar has promised the president that Saudi Arabia will lower oil prices in the months before the election - to ensure the U.S. economy is strong on election day.

                        Woodward says that Bandar understood that economic conditions were key before a presidential election: “They’re [oil prices] high. And they could go down very quickly. That's the Saudi pledge. Certainly over the summer, or as we get closer to the election, they could increase production several million barrels a day and the price would drop significantly.”
                        Dude. Can. Fly.

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                        • #13

                          Are there post-war plans? “There were innumerable briefings to the president about currency about oil. And on the real issue of security and possible violence, they did not see it coming,” says Woodward.

                          Did the administration really believe that they were going to get flowers and kisses? “Some of the exiles told them that,” says Woodward. “I think the president was skeptical of that. I think people like Cheney believed it more.”
                          Dude. Can. Fly.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dvyyyyyy@Apr 19 2004, 07:58 AM
                            So it was no big deal to draw up _plans_ ahead of time for a war in Iraq, right?

                            Was it any big deal to spend $700 million ahead of time for a war in Iraq?

                            No one can ever say again that Iraq did not take away from Afghanistan/hunt for bin Laden.

                            That money was supposed to go to Afghanistan. Case closed.
                            Dude. Can. Fly.

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                            • #15
                              here come far.....

                              Spin time!
                              Are you on the list?

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