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  • Heads should roll over Iraq

    Where are the generals and experts who think Bush and Co. did a great job? Surely there's someone out there. Right?

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/militar...-7m16zinni.html

    Warnings ignored, says retired Marine
    By Rick Rogers
    UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
    April 16, 2004

    Retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni wondered aloud yesterday how Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld could be caught off guard by the chaos in Iraq that has killed nearly 100 Americans in recent weeks and led to his announcement that 20,000 U.S. troops would be staying there instead of returning home as planned.

    "I'm surprised that he is surprised because there was a lot of us who were telling him that it was going to be thus," said Zinni, a Marine for 39 years and the former commander of the U.S. Central Command. "Anyone could know the problems they were going to see. How could they not?"

    At a Pentagon news briefing yesterday, Rumsfeld said he could not have estimated how many troops would be killed in the past week.

    Zinni made his comments during an interview with The San Diego Union-Tribune before giving a speech last night at the University of San Diego's Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace & Justice as part of its distinguished lecturer series.

    For years Zinni said he cautioned U.S. officials that an Iraq without Saddam Hussein would likely be more dangerous to U.S. interests than one with him because of the ethnic and religious clashes that would be unleashed.

    "I think that some heads should roll over Iraq," Zinni said. "I think the president got some bad advice."

    Known as the "Warrior Diplomat," Zinni is not a peace activist by nature or training, having led troops in Vietnam, commanded rescue operations in Somalia and directed strikes against Iraq and al Qaeda.

    He once commanded the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton.

    Out of uniform, Zinni was a troubleshooter for the U.S. government in Africa, Asia and Europe and served as special envoy to the Middle East under the Bush administration for a time before his reservations over the Iraq war and its aftermath caused him to resign and oppose it.

    Not even Zinni's resumé could shield him from the accusations that followed.

    "I've been called a traitor and a turncoat for mentioning these things," said Zinni, 60. The problems in Iraq are being caused, he said, by poor planning and shortsightedness, such as disbanding the Iraqi army and being unable to provide security.

    Zinni said the United States must now rely on the U.N. to pull its "chestnuts out of the fire in Iraq."

    "We're betting on the U.N., who we blew off and ridiculed during the run-up to the war," Zinni said. "Now we're back with hat in hand. It would be funny if not for the lives lost."
    2005 Mandatory Loyalty Oath: I love America, our troops, baseball, Moms, and certain pies. I want no harm to come to any of those institutions, nor do I take any glee in their demise.

  • #2
    Traitor. Classic.

    Actually pathetic.
    Dude. Can. Fly.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dvyyyyyy@Apr 16 2004, 11:31 AM
      Traitor. Classic.

      Actually pathetic.
      Takes guts to tell the truth dvyyyyy.

      Where is the guy wrong?
      Sponsor of Alex Pieterangelo.

      ..."I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." George Best

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dvyyyyyy@Apr 16 2004, 11:31 AM
        Traitor. Classic.

        Actually pathetic.
        http://www.amconmag.com/1_19_04/article1.html
        (That's AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE magazine)

        I was present at a staff meeting when Deputy Undersecretary Bill Luti called General Zinni a traitor....

        When General Zinni was removed as Bush’s Middle East envoy and Elliot Abrams joined the National Security Council (NSC) to lead the Mideast division, whoops and high-fives had erupted from the neocon cubicles. By midwinter, echoes of those celebrations seemed to mutate into a kind of anxious anticipation, shared by most of the Pentagon. The military was anxiously waiting under the bed for the other shoe to drop amidst concerns over troop availability, readiness for an ill-defined mission, and lack of day-after clarity. The neocons were anxiously struggling to get that damn shoe off, gleefully anticipating the martinis to be drunk and the fun to be had.
        2005 Mandatory Loyalty Oath: I love America, our troops, baseball, Moms, and certain pies. I want no harm to come to any of those institutions, nor do I take any glee in their demise.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by hkyfan+Apr 16 2004, 11:35 AM-->
          QUOTE (hkyfan @ Apr 16 2004, 11:35 AM)

        • #6
          Originally posted by Trigfunctions+Apr 16 2004, 11:39 AM-->
          QUOTE (Trigfunctions @ Apr 16 2004, 11:39 AM)
          Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 11:35 AM

        • #7
          Originally posted by Trigfunctions+Apr 16 2004, 11:39 AM-->
          QUOTE (Trigfunctions @ Apr 16 2004, 11:39 AM)
          Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 11:35 AM

        • #8
          Originally posted by hkyfan+Apr 16 2004, 11:42 AM-->
          QUOTE (hkyfan @ Apr 16 2004, 11:42 AM)
          Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 11:39 AM
          Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 11:35 AM

        • #9
          Originally posted by dvyyyyyy+Apr 16 2004, 11:43 AM-->
          QUOTE (dvyyyyyy @ Apr 16 2004, 11:43 AM)
          Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 11:42 AM
          Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 11:39 AM
          Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 11:35 AM

        • #10
          Speaking of shifts, poor Poland. This is old news but I was just reading over old Newsweeks at lunch so bear with me.


          WARSAW : In a first sign of official criticism in Poland of the US-led invasion of Iraq, President Aleksander Kwasniewski said that his country had been "taken for a ride" about the alleged existence of weapons of mass destruction in the strife-torn country.

          "That they deceived us about the weapons of mass destruction, that's true. We were taken for a ride," Kwasniewski said Thursday.
          Good friend to have, that W.
          Dude. Can. Fly.

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