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    Bush Secretly Ordered Iraq War Plan, Book Says
    War Plan on Iraq Drawn Up Soon After U.S. Forces Entered Afghanistan
    By CALVIN WOODWARD and SIOBHAN McDONOUGH, AP

    WASHINGTON (April 16) - President Bush secretly ordered a war plan drawn up against Iraq less than two months after U.S. forces attacked Afghanistan and was so worried the decision would cause a furor he did not tell everyone on his national security team, says a new book on his Iraq policy.

    Bush feared that if news got out about the Iraq plan as U.S. forces were fighting another conflict, people would think he was too eager for war, journalist Bob Woodward writes in "Plan of Attack," a behind-the-scenes account of the 16 months leading to the Iraq invasion.

    The Associated Press obtained a copy of the book, which will be available in book stores next week.

    "I knew what would happen if people thought we were developing a potential war plan for Iraq," Bush is quoted as telling Woodward. "It was such a high-stakes moment and ... it would look like that I was anxious to go to war. And I'm not anxious to go to war."

    Bush and his aides have denied accusations they were preoccupied with Iraq at the cost of paying attention to the al-Qaida terrorist threat before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. A commission investigating the attacks just concluded several weeks of extraordinary public testimony from high-ranking government officials. One of them, former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke, charged the Bush administration's determination to invade Iraq undermined the war on terror.

    Woodward's account fleshes out the degree to which some members of the administration, particularly Vice President Dick Cheney, were focused on Saddam Hussein from the onset of Bush's presidency and even after the terrorist attacks made the destruction of al-Qaida the top priority.

    Woodward says Bush pulled Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld aside Nov. 21, 2001 - when U.S. forces and allies were in control of about half of Afghanistan - and asked him what kind of war plan he had on Iraq. When Rumsfeld said it was outdated, Bush told him to get started on a fresh one.

    The book says Bush told Rumsfeld to keep quiet about it and when the defense secretary asked to bring CIA Director George Tenet into the planning at some point, the president said not to do so yet.

    Even Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, was apparently not fully briefed. Woodward said Bush told her that morning he was having Rumsfeld work on Iraq but did not give details.

    In an interview two years later, Bush told Woodward that if the news had leaked, it would have caused "enormous international angst and domestic speculation."

    The Bush administration's drive toward war with Iraq raised an international furor anyway, alienating long-time allies who did not believe the White House had made a sufficient case against Saddam. Saddam was toppled a year ago and taken into custody last December. But the central figure of al-Qaida, Osama bin Laden, remains at large and a threat to the west.

    The book says Gen. Tommy Franks, who was in charge of the Afghan war as head of Central Command, uttered a string of obscenities when the Pentagon told him to come up with an Iraq war plan in the midst of fighting another conflict.

    Woodward, a Washington Post journalist who wrote an earlier book on Bush's anti-terrorism campaign and broke the Watergate scandal with Carl Bernstein, says Cheney's well-known hawkish attitudes on Iraq were frequently decisive in Bush's decision-making.

    Cheney pressed the outgoing Clinton administration to brief Bush on the Iraq threat before he took office, Woodward writes.

    In August 2002, when Bush talked publicly of being a patient man who would weigh Iraqi options carefully, the vice president took the administration's Iraq policy on a harder track in a speech declaring the weapons inspections ineffective. Cheney's speech was viewed as the beginning of a campaign to undermine or overthrow Saddam. Woodward said Bush let Cheney make the speech without asking what he would say.

    The vice president also figured prominently in an protracted decision March 19, 2003, to strike Iraq before a 48-hour ultimatum for Saddam Hussein to leave the country had expired.

    When the CIA and its Iraqi sources reported that Saddam's sons and other family members were at a small palace, and Saddam was on his way to join them, Bush's top advisers debated whether to strike ahead of plan.

    Franks was against it, saying it was unfair to move before a deadline announced to the other side, the book says. Rumsfeld and Rice favored the early strike, and Secretary of State Colin Powell leaned that way.

    But Bush did not make his decision until he had cleared everyone out of the Oval Office except the vice president. "I think we ought to go for it," Cheney is quoted as saying. Bush did.

    U.S. forces unleashed bombs and cruise missiles, blanketing the compound but missing the palace. Tenet called the White House before dawn to say the Iraqi leader had been killed. But his optimism was premature. Saddam was alive.

    The 468-page book is published by Simon & Schuster.


    04/16/04 05:19 EDT
    The Dude abides.

  • #2
    The bigger story today is Bush's accepting a UN-written scenario for a new transitional gubmint.

    (In Iraq, not here.)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Apr 16 2004, 09:10 AM
      The bigger story today is Bush's accepting a UN-written scenario for a new transitional gubmint.

      (In Iraq, not here.)
      Not much choice, since we've painted ourselves into such a nasty corner with the post-war debacle...
      The Dude abides.

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      • #4
        Vote for Kerry, he voted against the war.
        Asked what he would do differently in Iraq, Kerry said, "Right now, what I would do differently is, I mean, look, I'm not the president, and I didn't create this mess so I don't want to acknowledge a mistake that I haven't made."

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        • #5
          Yes, but doesn't this make you so happy you'll wet your pants? THE UN WILL BE INVOLVED!

          There will be peace in the valley. Amen.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Apr 16 2004, 09:14 AM
            Yes, but doesn't this make you so happy you'll wet your pants? THE UN WILL BE INVOLVED!

            There will be peace in the valley. Amen.
            I confess, I do think consensus and alliances and burden sharing are, in most cases - Iraq included, positive. We've created a clusterfuck on our own.
            The Dude abides.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BurnKU@Apr 16 2004, 09:13 AM
              Vote for Kerry, he voted against the war.
              This is about Bush and his motives and honesty in taking the nation to war. He is President and Commander in Chief, right? IMO, his actions might have been more important than Kerry's Senate vote.

              But then again, I could be a deluded liberal...
              The Dude abides.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Moe_Szyslak+Apr 16 2004, 09:18 AM-->
                QUOTE (Moe_Szyslak @ Apr 16 2004, 09:18 AM)

              • #9
                Originally posted by BurnKU+Apr 16 2004, 09:21 AM-->
                QUOTE (BurnKU @ Apr 16 2004, 09:21 AM)
                Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 09:18 AM

              • #10
                The book says Gen. Tommy Franks, who was in charge of the Afghan war as head of Central Command, uttered a string of obscenities when the Pentagon told him to come up with an Iraq war plan in the midst of fighting another conflict.
                Screw the Generals - Rumsfeld knows better.
                2005 Mandatory Loyalty Oath: I love America, our troops, baseball, Moms, and certain pies. I want no harm to come to any of those institutions, nor do I take any glee in their demise.

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                • #11
                  Originally posted by BurnKU+Apr 16 2004, 09:21 AM-->
                  QUOTE (BurnKU @ Apr 16 2004, 09:21 AM)
                  Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 09:18 AM

                • #12
                  I'll be back to post on page 10...

                  Cheers,

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                  • #13
                    Originally posted by BurnKU@Apr 16 2004, 10:21 AM
                    Nothing is ever about Kerry, even though he's one of the 2 major choices for president. It's amazing how much you guys want to keep this from being about Kerry. Anyway, Kerry still voted for the war, so did a lot of other people.
                    Alot of things (Patriot Act) were rushed through based on the scare tactics of this administration.
                    Make America Great For Once.

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                    • #14
                      Originally posted by dvyyyyyy+Apr 16 2004, 09:27 AM-->
                      QUOTE (dvyyyyyy @ Apr 16 2004, 09:27 AM)
                      Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 09:21 AM
                      Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 09:18 AM

                    • #15
                      Originally posted by Moe_Szyslak@Apr 16 2004, 09:06 AM
                      Bush Secretly Ordered Iraq War Plan, Book Says
                      War Plan on Iraq Drawn Up Soon After U.S. Forces Entered Afghanistan
                      By CALVIN WOODWARD and SIOBHAN McDONOUGH, AP

                      WASHINGTON (April 16) - President Bush secretly ordered a war plan drawn up against Iraq less than two months after U.S. forces attacked Afghanistan and was so worried the decision would cause a furor he did not tell everyone on his national security team, says a new book on his Iraq policy.

                      Bush feared that if news got out about the Iraq plan as U.S. forces were fighting another conflict, people would think he was too eager for war, journalist Bob Woodward writes in "Plan of Attack," a behind-the-scenes account of the 16 months leading to the Iraq invasion.

                      The Associated Press obtained a copy of the book, which will be available in book stores next week.

                      "I knew what would happen if people thought we were developing a potential war plan for Iraq," Bush is quoted as telling Woodward. "It was such a high-stakes moment and ... it would look like that I was anxious to go to war. And I'm not anxious to go to war."

                      Bush and his aides have denied accusations they were preoccupied with Iraq at the cost of paying attention to the al-Qaida terrorist threat before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. A commission investigating the attacks just concluded several weeks of extraordinary public testimony from high-ranking government officials. One of them, former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke, charged the Bush administration's determination to invade Iraq undermined the war on terror.

                      Woodward's account fleshes out the degree to which some members of the administration, particularly Vice President Dick Cheney, were focused on Saddam Hussein from the onset of Bush's presidency and even after the terrorist attacks made the destruction of al-Qaida the top priority.

                      Woodward says Bush pulled Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld aside Nov. 21, 2001 - when U.S. forces and allies were in control of about half of Afghanistan - and asked him what kind of war plan he had on Iraq. When Rumsfeld said it was outdated, Bush told him to get started on a fresh one.

                      The book says Bush told Rumsfeld to keep quiet about it and when the defense secretary asked to bring CIA Director George Tenet into the planning at some point, the president said not to do so yet.

                      Even Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, was apparently not fully briefed. Woodward said Bush told her that morning he was having Rumsfeld work on Iraq but did not give details.

                      In an interview two years later, Bush told Woodward that if the news had leaked, it would have caused "enormous international angst and domestic speculation."

                      The Bush administration's drive toward war with Iraq raised an international furor anyway, alienating long-time allies who did not believe the White House had made a sufficient case against Saddam. Saddam was toppled a year ago and taken into custody last December. But the central figure of al-Qaida, Osama bin Laden, remains at large and a threat to the west.

                      The book says Gen. Tommy Franks, who was in charge of the Afghan war as head of Central Command, uttered a string of obscenities when the Pentagon told him to come up with an Iraq war plan in the midst of fighting another conflict.

                      Woodward, a Washington Post journalist who wrote an earlier book on Bush's anti-terrorism campaign and broke the Watergate scandal with Carl Bernstein, says Cheney's well-known hawkish attitudes on Iraq were frequently decisive in Bush's decision-making.

                      Cheney pressed the outgoing Clinton administration to brief Bush on the Iraq threat before he took office, Woodward writes.

                      In August 2002, when Bush talked publicly of being a patient man who would weigh Iraqi options carefully, the vice president took the administration's Iraq policy on a harder track in a speech declaring the weapons inspections ineffective. Cheney's speech was viewed as the beginning of a campaign to undermine or overthrow Saddam. Woodward said Bush let Cheney make the speech without asking what he would say.

                      The vice president also figured prominently in an protracted decision March 19, 2003, to strike Iraq before a 48-hour ultimatum for Saddam Hussein to leave the country had expired.

                      When the CIA and its Iraqi sources reported that Saddam's sons and other family members were at a small palace, and Saddam was on his way to join them, Bush's top advisers debated whether to strike ahead of plan.

                      Franks was against it, saying it was unfair to move before a deadline announced to the other side, the book says. Rumsfeld and Rice favored the early strike, and Secretary of State Colin Powell leaned that way.

                      But Bush did not make his decision until he had cleared everyone out of the Oval Office except the vice president. "I think we ought to go for it," Cheney is quoted as saying. Bush did.

                      U.S. forces unleashed bombs and cruise missiles, blanketing the compound but missing the palace. Tenet called the White House before dawn to say the Iraqi leader had been killed. But his optimism was premature. Saddam was alive.

                      The 468-page book is published by Simon & Schuster.


                      04/16/04 05:19 EDT
                      As the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, of course he can order a war plan against Iraq.

                      What governing body gave him the authority to pursue the operation?

                      I'll give you a hint, it's not the Executive Branch.
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                      "Open season on the open seas and Captain says no prisoners please. Skull and crossbones on a background of black. We ain't stealin' we're just takin' back ."


                      - Jimmy Buffett, Take it Back, Boats, Beaches, Bars and Ballads Box Set

                      "Now, she should be good-looking, but we're willing to trade looks for a certain... morally casual attitude."

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