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    An alarming charge. Let's hope there is nothing to it.



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    US forces 'used chemical weapons' during assault on city of Fallujah
    By Peter Popham
    Published: 08 November 2005

    Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon.

    Ever since the assault, which went unreported by any Western journalists, rumours have swirled that the Americans used chemical weapons on the city.

    On 10 November last year, the Islam Online website wrote: "US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988."

    The website quoted insurgent sources as saying: "The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally banned chemical weapons."

    In December the US government formally denied the reports, describing them as "widespread myths". "Some news accounts have claimed that US forces have used 'outlawed' phosphorus shells in Fallujah," the USinfo website said. "Phosphorus shells are not outlawed. US forces have used them very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes.

    "They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters."

    But now new information has surfaced, including hideous photographs and videos and interviews with American soldiers who took part in the Fallujah attack, which provides graphic proof that phosphorus shells were widely deployed in the city as a weapon.

    In a documentary to be broadcast by RAI, the Italian state broadcaster, this morning, a former American soldier who fought at Fallujah says: "I heard the order to pay attention because they were going to use white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military jargon it's known as Willy Pete.

    "Phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ... I saw the burned bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Anyone within a radius of 150 metres is done for."

    Photographs on the website of RaiTG24, the broadcaster's 24-hours news channel, www.rainews24.it, show exactly what the former soldier means. Provided by the Studies Centre of Human Rights in Fallujah, dozens of high-quality, colour close-ups show bodies of Fallujah residents, some still in their beds, whose clothes remain largely intact but whose skin has been dissolved or caramelised or turned the consistency of leather by the shells.

    A biologist in Fallujah, Mohamad Tareq, interviewed for the film, says: "A rain of fire fell on the city, the people struck by this multi-coloured substance started to burn, we found people dead with strange wounds, the bodies burned but the clothes intact."

    The documentary, entitled Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre, also provides what it claims is clinching evidence that incendiary bombs known as Mark 77, a new, improved form of napalm, was used in the attack on Fallujah, in breach of the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons of 1980, which only allows its use against military targets.

    Meanwhile, five US soldiers from the elite 75th Ranger Regiment have been charged with kicking and punching detainees in Iraq.

    The news came as a suicide car bomber killed four American soldiers at a checkpoint south of Baghdad yesterday.
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    • #3
      DU bombs have been a staple of our ordinance for years. The Balkans and Iraq are contaminated for certain, and the affects on civilization and environment will not be know for a while. See Gulf War Syndrome...
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      • #4
        They probably did drop white phosphorus. It's not a chemical weapon. Since WWII, WP has been a primary method of creating smoke. If you get too close to it, it's dangerous. I doubt many were serious injuries, and that RAI guy is insane when he says that anybody within 150 meters is "done for". That exceeds the area of effect of a standard 500lb bomb - if WP was that effective, we'd be using it instead of bombing with explosives.

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        • #5
          QUOTE(lazydaze @ Nov 8 2005, 01:16 PM) Quoted post

          DU bombs have been a staple of our ordinance for years. The Balkans and Iraq are contaminated for certain, and the affects on civilization and environment will not be know for a while. See Gulf War Syndrome...
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          DU, as in Depleted Uranium? They most certainly have not been a staple of our arsenal. In fact, the only use for DU is long-rod penetrators, in anti-tank ordinance. Depleted uranium is a hard, dense metal - it makes absolutely no sense to make it into an anti-personnel weapon. It's only for killing tanks. I question whether there is a single depleted uranium "bomb" in the entire US arsenal. Anti--tank rounds and missiles, sure.

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          • #6
            Can anyone get to that Italian site? I sure as shit haven't been able to.

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            • #7
              They are the new "Silver Bullet" in the U.S. arsenal. They are depleted uranium weapons. Depleted uranium (DU) weapons were first used during the first Gulf War against Iraq in 1991. The Pentagon estimated that between 315 and 350 tons of DU were fired during the first Gulf War. During the 2003 invasion and current occupation of Iraq, U.S. and British troops have reportedly used more than five times as many DU bombs and shells as the total number used during the 1991 war.
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              • #8
                If we did it, it was only to further the cause of good over evil.
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                • #9
                  Nato said last week that American aircraft fired 10,800 depleted uranium shells in Bosnia in 1994-95.
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                  • #10
                    QUOTE(Moe_Szyslak @ Nov 8 2005, 01:22 PM) Quoted post

                    If we did it, it was only to further the cause of good over evil.
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                    Plus, it is kinda fun to use a weapon called a "Willie Peter"

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                    • #11
                      more propaganda.

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                      • #12
                        QUOTE(lazydaze @ Nov 8 2005, 01:22 PM) Quoted post

                        They are the new "Silver Bullet" in the U.S. arsenal. They are depleted uranium weapons. Depleted uranium (DU) weapons were first used during the first Gulf War against Iraq in 1991. The Pentagon estimated that between 315 and 350 tons of DU were fired during the first Gulf War. During the 2003 invasion and current occupation of Iraq, U.S. and British troops have reportedly used more than five times as many DU bombs and shells as the total number used during the 1991 war.
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                        "Fired" being the operative word. The reporter is speaking quite glibly when talking about DU "bombs". The only reason DU is used is because it's so dense, it delivers greater kinetic energy over a small area, which is great when penetrating armor. It makes no sense to use it in freefall bombs. This is probably the same level of imprecision always displayed by the media, where every Bradley is a "tank", every SSM is a "Scud", every jet with wings is a "fighter", and every Iraqi soldier is "Elite Republican Guard".

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                        • #13
                          so now you admit they did use them?
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                          • #14
                            QUOTE(lazydaze @ Nov 8 2005, 01:28 PM) Quoted post

                            so now you admit they did use them?
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                            shark is paid here by the word
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                            • #15
                              QUOTE(lazydaze @ Nov 8 2005, 01:24 PM) Quoted post

                              Nato said last week that American aircraft fired 10,800 depleted uranium shells in Bosnia in 1994-95.
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                              Yes, fired shells. Note that, fired shells. A-10s have 30mm anti-tank cannon which fire DU rounds. Gunships, both helicopter and fixed-wing, also have cannons that fire APDU.

                              Not dropped bombs. Important difference. DU is useless for killing personnel.

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