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    Havent heard much discussion about the France riots, but how long till we get enough poor Hispanics here in the states that shit starts happening?

    http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10116

    Paris Burning: How Empires End
    by Patrick J. Buchanan
    Posted Nov 7, 2005

    The Romans conquered the barbarians—and the barbarians conquered Rome.

    So it goes with empires. And comes now the penultimate chapter in the history of the empires of the West.

    This is the larger meaning of the ritual murder of Theo Van Gogh in Holland, the subway bombings in London, the train bombings in Madrid, the Paris riots spreading across France. The perpetrators of these crimes in the capitals of Europe are the children of immigrants who were once the colonial subjects of the European empires.

    At this writing, the riots are entering their 12th night and have spread to Rouen, Lille, Marseille, Toulouse, Dijon, Bordeaux, Strasbourg, Cannes, Nice. Thousands of cars and buses have been torched and several nursery schools fire-bombed. One fleeing and terrified woman was doused with gasoline and set ablaze.

    The rioters are of Arab and African descent, and Muslim. While almost all are French citizens, they are not part of the French people. For never have they been assimilated into French culture or society. And some wish to remain who and what they are. They live in France but are not French.
    The rampage began October 27 when two Arab youths, fleeing what they mistakenly thought was a police pursuit, leapt onto power lines and were electrocuted. The two deaths ignited the riots.

    Interior Minister Nicholas Sarkozy, a candidate to succeed President Chirac, is said to have infuriated and inflamed the rioters. Before the rampage began, he promised “war without mercy” on crime in the teeming suburbs where unemployment runs at 20% and income is 40% below the national average. He has denounced the rioters as “scum” and “rabble.”

    Like the urban riots in America in the 1960s, which the Kerner Commission blamed on “white racism,” Paris’s riots are being blamed on France’s failure to bring Islamic immigrants into the social and economic mainstream of the nation. Solutions being offered range from voting rights for non-citizens to affirmative action in hiring for the children of Third World immigrants.

    To understand why this is unlikely to solve France’s crisis, consider how America succeeded, and often failed, in solving her own racial crisis.
    While, as late as the 1950s, black Americans were not integrated fully into our economy or society, they had been assimilated into American culture.

    They worshipped the same God, spoke the same language, had endured the same Depression and war, listened to the same music and radio, watched the same TV shows, laughed at the same comedians, went to the same movies, ate the same foods, read the same books, magazines and newspapers, and went to schools where, even when they were segregated, they learned the same history.

    We were divided, but we were also one nation and one people. Black folks were as American as apple pie, having lived in our common land longer than almost every other ethnic group save Native Americans. And America had a history of having assimilated immigrants in the tens of millions from Europe.

    But no European nation has ever assimilated a large body of immigrant peoples, let alone people of color. Moreover, the African and Islamic peoples pouring into Europe—there are 20 million there now—are, unlike black Americans, strangers in a new land, and millions wish to remain proud Algerians, Muslims, Moroccans.

    These newcomers worship a different God and practice a faith historically hostile to Christianity, a traditionalist faith that is rising again and recoils violently from a secular culture saturated in sex.

    Severed from the civilization and cultures of their parents, these Arab and Muslim youth may hold French citizenship and carry French passports, but they are no more French than Americans who live in Paris are French. Searching for a community to which they can truly belong, they gravitate to mosques where the imams, many themselves immigrants, teach and preach that the West is not their true home, but a civilization alien to their values and historically hostile to their nations and Islam.

    The soaring Muslim population is a Fifth Column inside Europe.

    Nevertheless, their numbers must grow. For not only do they have a higher birth rate than the native-born Europeans, no European nation, save Moslem Albania, has a birth rate (2.1 births per woman) that will enable it to endure for many more generations. The West is aging, shrinking, and dying.

    Yet, to keep Europe’s economy growing and taxes coming in to fund the health and pension programs of Europe’s rising numbers of retired and elderly, Europe needs scores of millions of new workers. And Europe can only find them in the Third World.

    Nor should Americans take comfort in France’s distress. By 2050, there will be 100 million Hispanics in the United States, half of them of Mexican ancestry, heavily concentrated in a Southwest most Mexicans still believe by right belongs to them.

    Colonization of the mother countries by subject peoples is the last chapter in the history of empires—and the next chapter in the history of the West—that is now coming to a close.
    “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

    Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

  • #2
    fucking mexicans

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    • #3
      Jesus Christ, Razzy, it says November 7th, 2004!
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      • #4
        QUOTE(lasvegasreb @ Nov 7 2005, 03:07 PM) Quoted post

        Jesus Christ, Razzy, it says November 7th, 2004!
        [/b][/quote]

        Ha, ha!

        I think the US should have a more stringent immigration requirement. Canada and other nations have a point system, for example. That doesnt work unless, of course, we couple that with keeping the borders secure from illegal immigrants.

        Bush doesnt seem to care about that issue, however.
        “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

        Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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        • #5
          QUOTE(Razzy @ Nov 7 2005, 03:10 PM) Quoted post
          QUOTE(lasvegasreb @ Nov 7 2005, 03:07 PM) Quoted post

          Jesus Christ, Razzy, it says November 7th, 2004!
          [/b][/quote]
          Bush doesnt seem to care about that issue, however. [/b][/quote]

          Your hate knows no bounds.

          Of course, you may not have heard of this in the press.

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          • #6
            QUOTE(pgrote @ Nov 7 2005, 04:19 PM) Quoted post

            QUOTE(Razzy @ Nov 7 2005, 03:10 PM) Quoted post
            QUOTE(lasvegasreb @ Nov 7 2005, 03:07 PM) Quoted post

            Jesus Christ, Razzy, it says November 7th, 2004!
            [/b][/quote]
            Bush doesnt seem to care about that issue, however. [/b][/quote]

            Your hate knows no bounds.

            Of course, you may not have heard of this in the press.
            [/b][/quote]

            Any chance this flurry of activity is a response to criticism of his previous indifference to the right's immigration position?

            You may not have heard or read about it.

            http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=36555
            The Dude abides.

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            • #7
              QUOTE(Moe_Szyslak @ Nov 7 2005, 03:23 PM) Quoted post
              QUOTE(pgrote @ Nov 7 2005, 04:19 PM) Quoted post

              QUOTE(Razzy @ Nov 7 2005, 03:10 PM) Quoted post
              QUOTE(lasvegasreb @ Nov 7 2005, 03:07 PM) Quoted post

              Jesus Christ, Razzy, it says November 7th, 2004!
              [/b][/quote]
              Bush doesnt seem to care about that issue, however. [/b][/quote]

              Your hate knows no bounds.

              Of course, you may not have heard of this in the press.
              [/b][/quote]

              Any chance this flurry of activity is a response to criticism of his previous indifference to the right's immigration position?

              You may not have heard or read about it.

              http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=36555 [/b][/quote]

              I don't think so. I think what it's in reaction to is a political/economic cycle. As to why the amnesty was done when it's done, I don't think it was for anything but the hispanic vote.

              One of the things that would go a long way to helping the immigration issue is to rework the social programs. If you're here we give you things. It begins with the states, but the feds do it to. Benefits need to be restricted to citizens.

              I do not agree with removing the citizenship by birth, which is what someone is tossing around. If you're born here, you're a citizen.

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              • #8
                Grote,

                The flow of immigrants has not slowed down since 911 happened. In fact, I am pretty sure it has increased, and as Moe said, Bush was planning on offering amnesty to the illegals already over here. What kind of message does that send?

                Here is the message: Cross that border, Amigo!

                http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5062801135.html

                Bush Proposal Prompted Surge in Illegal Immigrants
                Watchdog Group Claims Administration Sought to Cover Up Data

                By William Branigin
                Washington Post Staff Writer
                Tuesday, June 28, 2005; 7:39 PM

                President Bush's proposal for a guest worker program to help stem the tide of illegal immigration actually prompted a surge of illegal border-crossings that the administration then sought to cover up, a watchdog group charged today, citing a 2004 survey by the U.S. Border Patrol.

                Judicial Watch, a Washington-based public interest group, said the survey, obtained under a Freedom of Information Act request, showed that 61 percent of a sample of detainees who had been caught illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexican border in the wake of Bush's proposal said they had been informed by the Mexican government or the media that the Bush administration was offering amnesty to illegal immigrants. Nearly 45 percent said the purported amnesty influenced their decision to enter the United States illegally, Judicial Watch said.

                "The results indicated that President Bush's proposal had actually lured greater numbers of illegal immigrants to violate the law," the group said in a 16-page report on the Border Patrol survey. It said the Bush administration aborted the survey on Jan. 27, 2004, within a few weeks after it began, because it was producing "politically inconvenient and/or potentially embarrassing data." The U.S. government never issued a report based on the survey.

                "The White House directed Homeland Security public affairs officers to deliberately withhold information from the public and the media about the Border Patrol survey and a related spike in illegal immigration," Judicial Watch said, citing documents it obtained under the FOIA.

                The White House referred questions about the report to the Department of Homeland Security, which said the survey was inconclusive and taken out of context.

                Kristi Clemens, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, a division of Homeland Security, said the survey was initiated "internally" by the Border Patrol and was stopped when it was "compromised" by a leak to the news media.

                "As part of normal operating procedure for law enforcement, it's routine for Customs and Border Patrol agents to question illegal aliens to confirm identify, verify potential security risks and . . . obtain operational intelligence to pick up on any potential trends," she said. She said the survey was "part of routine operational intelligence information gathering," but that the findings were incomplete and could not be the basis for a conclusion that President Bush's guest worker proposal was encouraging a spike in illegal immigration.

                "I don't know how they [Judicial Watch] could draw that based on inconclusive findings," Clemens said.

                In a Capitol Hill press conference to announce the report, Judicial Watch President Thomas Fitton charged that the administration was engaged in a coverup.

                "Unfortunately, at a time when the United States faces an illegal immigration crisis and a war on terrorism, Bush administration officials directed Border Patrol agents to mislead the American people," Fitton said.

                Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), an outspoken critic of Bush's immigration proposal, said, "The timing of the survey's start and early dismissal, and the DHS gag order and stonewalling of Judicial Watch's request, suggest that the administration is playing politics with border security data. I hope that this is not the case."

                Judicial Watch describes itself as a nonpartisan, nonprofit group that serves as an ethical and legal watchdog, promotes government accountability and investigates and prosecutes government corruption. The group said the administration has produced only a portion of the documents it requested under FOIA and that it is pursuing a lawsuit in federal court in Washington to force the release of other materials related to the survey.

                Among the documents the group has been denied are the orders to start conducting the survey and to halt it, said Christopher J. Farrell, director of investigations and research at Judicial Watch. He said, however, that he had no doubt the survey was done at the behest of the White House, given that it was geared to Bush's Jan. 7, 2004, proposal of a "temporary guest worker" program.

                In announcing the proposal, Bush said in a White House speech that Congress should include the program in new legislation that would "serve the economic needs of our country" by allowing employers to hire guest workers for jobs "that American citizens are not willing to take." The proposal promptly ran into opposition in Congress, where many Republicans saw it as a de facto amnesty that would reward many of the 10 million illegal immigrants in the United States.

                Among the documents it obtained, Judicial Watch said, was a U.S. Customs and Border Protection paper labeled "internal use only" and entitled "White House Approved Talking Points" on the temporary worker program. "Do not talk about amnesty, increase in apprehensions, or give comparisons of past immigration reform proposals," the paper ordered public affairs officers. "Do not provide statistics on apprehension spikes or past amnesty data."

                Farrell said the Department of Homeland Security so far has produced only about half the 1,711 questionnaires that were filled out in the survey. While the survey was poorly designed and of little use for scientific or complex statistical analysis, Farrell said, the raw numbers provided some "residual value."

                According to Judicial Watch's analysis of the questionnaires, 88 percent of those in the sample were from Mexico, 5 percent from El Salvador, 4 percent from Honduras and 3 percent from Guatemala. More than four in 10 (43 percent) said they planned to stay in the United States for more than a year, and a fifth said they planned to stay "forever."

                Slightly more than 61 percent said they had heard reports of a U.S. government amnesty, and 44.6 percent said that "amnesty rumors" influenced their decision to cross the border illegally. "Yes, I am coming for the Bush amnesty program," one illegal crosser told a Border Patrol interviewer in one of the questionnaires, Judicial Watch reported.

                Asked if they would apply for amnesty, more than 80 percent said yes, the survey showed. "Yes, I am not stupid," one respondent replied. Two-thirds said they planned to petition for other family members to join them.
                “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

                Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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                • #9
                  QUOTE(pgrote @ Nov 7 2005, 04:27 PM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(Moe_Szyslak @ Nov 7 2005, 03:23 PM) Quoted post
                  QUOTE(pgrote @ Nov 7 2005, 04:19 PM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(Razzy @ Nov 7 2005, 03:10 PM) Quoted post
                  QUOTE(lasvegasreb @ Nov 7 2005, 03:07 PM) Quoted post

                  Jesus Christ, Razzy, it says November 7th, 2004!
                  [/b][/quote]
                  Bush doesnt seem to care about that issue, however. [/b][/quote]

                  Your hate knows no bounds.

                  Of course, you may not have heard of this in the press.
                  [/b][/quote]

                  Any chance this flurry of activity is a response to criticism of his previous indifference to the right's immigration position?

                  You may not have heard or read about it.

                  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=36555 [/b][/quote]

                  I don't think so. I think what it's in reaction to is a political/economic cycle. As to why the amnesty was done when it's done, I don't think it was for anything but the hispanic vote.

                  One of the things that would go a long way to helping the immigration issue is to rework the social programs. If you're here we give you things. It begins with the states, but the feds do it to. Benefits need to be restricted to citizens.

                  I do not agree with removing the citizenship by birth, which is what someone is tossing around. If you're born here, you're a citizen.
                  [/b][/quote]

                  So, Bush, by your admission, does not care about the issue of illegal immigration - since he plays either side of it depending on the political advantage?
                  The Dude abides.

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                  • #10
                    Another one to chew on, Grote...

                    And no, this isnt all Bush's fault. Past administrations (Clinton) didnt do enough to fix this either. So this isn't an attack on Bush by me. It is an appeal for an end to the stream of illegals and unsavory people coming into our nation. It lowers our standard of living having these people coming over here.

                    http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10010

                    Bush's Scandalous Immigration Record: '06 GOP Candidates Beware
                    by Phyllis Schlafly
                    Posted Nov 1, 2005

                    Americans are not naive enough to believe the sensational headline and opening paragraphs of news accounts about Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff's recent testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee. He was reported to have said that Homeland Security will "Return every single illegal entrant - no exceptions."

                    That's a correct quote, but Chertoff's prepared text proves that he certainly won't start tomorrow to expel and exclude "every single" illegal immigrant who crosses our border. His statement refers only to the Other Than Mexicans whom our undermanned Border Patrol agents actually catch.

                    Those are the illegal immigrants who are the beneficiaries of a Bush administration racket called "catch and release." OTMs are caught, charged as immigration law violators, and then immediately released on their own recognizance, which allows them to disappear into the American population.

                    Chertoff admitted that 130,000 OTMs received this treatment in 2005 alone. He acts as though he just discovered this travesty when in fact "catch and release" has been government policy for years.

                    Furthermore, Chertoff didn't promise immediate action; he is just "taking steps" to change it, "re-engineering" our removal process, and expecting "significant progress in less than a year." Meanwhile, Chertoff admitted that "catch and release" acts as an enticement for additional illegal immigrants to enter our country.

                    Chertoff told the Senate committee that he already has "aggressive efforts under way" to ensure that employers who violate current laws "face appropriate punishment."

                    Really?

                    At least 10 million illegal immigrants are now working in the United States, but only three employers in the entire nation were fined in 2004.

                    In his Saturday radio address, President George W. Bush bragged, "We've doubled the resources for work site enforcement since 2004." Does that mean we can expect six employers to be fined next year?

                    Obviously, Chertoff has no plans to do anything about the 10 million immigrants who already entered illegally and are now living across the country from Maine to California.

                    It's hard to take Chertoff's promises seriously when they are prefaced by the false braggadocio, "President Bush has placed the utmost importance on border security."

                    The latest 28-question opinion survey circulated to donors by the Republican Party does not include even one question about illegal immigrants or immigration, further manifesting the Bush administration policy of sweeping this issue under the rug.

                    Both in signing the giant Homeland Security spending bill and his Saturday radio broadcast, Bush, for the first time, gave us some tough talk about getting "control of our borders." But tucked at the end of his border-security rhetoric was a renewed demand that we offer U.S. jobs to "willing workers from foreign countries." The most accurate way to describe his salestalk is bait-and-switch.

                    Bush didn't put any numbers limit on the "willing workers" he wants to invite to join the U.S. job market. Pew Research recently reported that 40 million Mexicans would like to come to the United States if they had the opportunity.

                    Conservative Republicans in Congress have wised up to the administration's bait-and-switch plan. More than 80 House members recently sent a letter to the president stating, "The American people need to see that the current laws against illegal immigration are being enforced before any guest-worker program can be considered."

                    The letter criticized the government's failure to enforce existing immigration laws. As just one example, the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act mandated a national exit-entry tracking system for all illegal immigrants but, nine years later, the system is still not near completion.

                    Illegal immigrants are responsible for a terrible crime wave that includes the spread into our cities and suburbs of criminal gangs from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. The gang called MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha), with an estimated 10,000 members, deals in narcotics, gun trafficking, prostitution, and murder by machete cuttings after torture and mutilation.

                    U.S. taxpayers are paying a heavy burden of costs to provide illegal immigrants with health care, public schools, in-state college tuition, housing subsidies, and treatment for Third World diseases. The failure to enforce our immigration laws results in a general disrespect for all laws, plus the destruction of the private property of U.S. citizens along our southern border.

                    The president can no longer get by with saying "trust me." His record of failure to enforce immigration laws is too scandalous and too costly for us to be satisfied with mere plans to do better sometime in the future.

                    Congressional candidates preparing for the 2006 elections should beware: Amnesty, guest-worker, and willing worker are all red-flag words that voters find offensive.
                    “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

                    Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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                    • #11
                      QUOTE
                      So, Bush, by your admission, does not care about the issue of illegal immigration - since he plays either side of it depending on the political advantage? [/b][/quote]

                      No. What I am saying is that the offer of amnesty was clearly a political move. Clearly.

                      I think the administration cares about illegal immigration as it is related to security not economics.

                      So, can I answer 50/50? Yes, they don't care if it's an economic issue. No, they care if it's related to security. That's my take on it.

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                      • #12
                        QUOTE(pgrote @ Nov 7 2005, 04:42 PM) Quoted post

                        QUOTE
                        So, Bush, by your admission, does not care about the issue of illegal immigration - since he plays either side of it depending on the political advantage? [/b][/quote]

                        No. What I am saying is that the offer of amnesty was clearly a political move. Clearly.

                        I think the administration cares about illegal immigration as it is related to security not economics.

                        So, can I answer 50/50? Yes, they don't care if it's an economic issue. No, they care if it's related to security. That's my take on it.
                        [/b][/quote]

                        9/11 was 4 years ago. So, border security has been an issue since then. Bush kicked into action last week. Maybe he got the idea from Arnie Vinnick.
                        The Dude abides.

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                        • #13
                          Their actions (or inaction) since 911 indicates that they dont care any which way.
                          “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

                          Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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                          • #14
                            QUOTE
                            Another one to chew on, Grote...

                            And no, this isnt all Bush's fault. Past administrations (Clinton) didnt do enough to fix this either. So this isn't an attack on Bush by me. It is an appeal for an end to the stream of illegals and unsavory people coming into our nation. It lowers our standard of living having these people coming over here.[/b][/quote]

                            Don't need anything to chew on. I agree that the immigration policy that the administration has pays lip service to economic concerns.

                            I think this sums it up best on the economic front:
                            QUOTE
                            Both in signing the giant Homeland Security spending bill and his Saturday radio broadcast, Bush, for the first time, gave us some tough talk about getting "control of our borders." But tucked at the end of his border-security rhetoric was a renewed demand that we offer U.S. jobs to "willing workers from foreign countries." The most accurate way to describe his salestalk is bait-and-switch.[/b][/quote]

                            This is what I think their focus is on ... and terrorism:
                            QUOTE
                            Illegal immigrants are responsible for a terrible crime wave that includes the spread into our cities and suburbs of criminal gangs from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. The gang called MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha), with an estimated 10,000 members, deals in narcotics, gun trafficking, prostitution, and murder by machete cuttings after torture and mutilation. [/b][/quote]

                            I think it's difficult to remove all illegal aliens in the country now. As I suggested above, illegal working aliens should receive no benefits, no services and be deported when they are found out. I think actively looking for them would be a waste of resources. I don't care if the man who cuts Cher's lawn is an illegal unless he wants more than his daily wage.

                            My concern is that the element we should be concerned about, drug dealers, terrorists, anarchists, are making their way through and we should focus on that.

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                            • #15
                              QUOTE
                              9/11 was 4 years ago. So, border security has been an issue since then. Bush kicked into action last week. Maybe he got the idea from Arnie Vinnick. [/b][/quote]

                              Civil discussion lasted two responses. It's a new record for us.

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