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    Best Pro Debut: OF Nick Stavinoha (7) immediately became one of the most feared hitters in the low Class A Midwest League, batting .344-14-53.

    Best Athlete: OF Daryl Jones (3) had NCAA Division I-A football offers as a wide receiver, and he was thought to be a tough sign because he committed to Rice. But St. Louis got him for $450,000, the equivalent of second-round money. OF Colby Rasmus (1) isn't as fast as Jones, but he's a better hitter and another five-tool center fielder. And SS Tyler Greene (1) is a five-tool shortstop.

    Best Pure Hitter: Rasmus, who hit .296-7-27 with 13 steals at Rookie-level Johnson City, has a higher ceiling than Stavinoha.

    Best Raw Power: Stavinoha over Rasmus. Jones is just scratching the surface of his power potential, but both of his longballs at Johnson City were bombs.

    Fastest Runner: Jones runs the 60-yard dash in 6.4 seconds, and OF Malcolm Owens (13) is just as quick. Rasmus and Greene are plus runners.

    Best Defensive Player: Greene can be inconsistent, but he has the above-average arm and range to be a good shortstop. Rasmus has very good instincts in center field.

    Best Fastball: RHP Mark McCormick (1) hit 98 mph during the spring and pitched at 91-96 mph through instructional league. RHP Nick Webber (2) has a 91-94 mph fastball that's more notable for its sink than its velocity. One scout compared its movement to a Wiffle ball's. RHPs Tyler Herron (1), Josh Wilson (2), Mitch Boggs (5), Jason Cairns (8) and Kenny Maiques (37) all have touched 94.

    Best Breaking Ball: McCormick, Herron and LHP Jaime Garcia (22) all have good curveballs at times. Maiques has a hard slider when healthy.

    Most Intriguing Background: OF Wilfrido Pujols (6) is the cousin of Cardinals superstar Albert Pujols. 1B A.J. Van Slyke's (23) father was a former Cardinals first-round pick and a big league all-star, and his brother Scott was a 15th-round pick of the Dodgers. Unsigned 2B Jesse Schoendienst's (40) great uncle Red is a Hall of Famer who played for and managed the Cardinals. Rasmus led Russell County High (Seale, Ala.) to the 2005 national title. LHP Josh Schwartz (42) won the final 37 decisions of his Rowan (N.J.) career, setting an NCAA record. Boggs played quarterback at Tennessee-Chattanooga and Stavinoha was a long snapper at Houston before both transferred to focus on baseball.

    Closest To The Majors: Webber's sinker and his role as a reliever make him the frontrunner.

    Best Late-Round Pick: The Cardinals thought they'd have to take Maiques in the supplemental first round until he blew out his elbow and needed Tommy John surgery. Garcia is a real sleeper, a former Mexican junior national team performer who had a 90-91 mph fastball and a nice curveball before he got out of shape.

    The One Who Got Away: LHP Miers Quigley (19) had a 92-94 mph fastball before coming down with biceps tendinitis. He didn't bounce back enough for St. Louis to meet his asking price, so he's now at Alabama.

    Assessment: After the Cardinals failed to sign a high school player in 2004, first-year scouting director Jeff Lunhow orchestrated a fine blend of collegians and prepsters, hitters and pitchers. The position players were especially welcome in a system with few who project as big league regulars.

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  • #2
    Backstop, can you get me the Sox report card? Thanks.
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      Best Pro Debut: SS/2B Jed Lowrie (1) hit .328-4-32 and led the short-season New York-Penn League with a .429 on-base percentage. RHP Craig Hansen (1) used 10 scoreless minor league appearances, including eight in Double-A, as a springboard to Fenway Park. OF Jeff Corsaletti (6) and 2B Jeff Natale (32) both excelled at low Class A Greenville. Corsaletti hit .357-4-26, while Natale batted .338-2-35 with a .463 on-base percentage.

      Best Athlete: OF Jacoby Ellsbury (1) did nothing to dispel Johnny Damon comparisons, batting .317-1-19 with 23 steals in 35 NY-P games before a hamstring injury sidelined him. OF Reid Engel (5) isn't nearly as refined, but he has similar speed and more power. RHP Clay Buchholz (1) was drafted for his electric arm, but he was a two-way star at Angelina (Texas) JC who offered lefthanded power and speed as an outfielder. Natale spent three years as a hockey forward at Trinity (Conn.).

      Best Pure Hitter: Lowrie, who ended questions about his ability to hit with wood. A switch-hitter, he shortened his stroke from the right side after turning pro.

      Best Raw Power: C Jon Egan (2), though he was a tentative hitter in his pro debut and was more of a pleasant surprise with his catching ability. Egan's status took a hit during the offseason, when he was arrested for driving while intoxicated and police also found traces of cocaine in his wallet.

      Fastest Runner: When the short-season Lowell staff was timing players in the 40-yard dash, Buchholz (1) asked if he could participate and proceeded to run a 4.25 and a 4.27. Among the position players, Ellsbury's speed rates a 70 on the 20-80 scouting scale, while Engel merits a 65.

      Best Defensive Player: Ellsbury has excellent range and instincts in center field.

      Best Fastball: Hansen has a wicked 93-95 mph sinker that can reach 97. RHP Michael Bowden (1) also has heavy life on a consistent 92-93 mph fastball. Buchholz usually pitched at 93-94 mph in the late innings at Angelina, though he worked more at 88-92 during the summer.

      Best Breaking Ball: Hansen's slider is a swing-and-miss pitch but wasn't at its best in his first pro summer. Bowden has a legitimate power curveball, while Buchholz throws both a hard slider and a good curve.

      Most Intriguing Background: Unsigned 1B Allan Dykstra's (34) father Lenny was a Red Sox nemesis in the 1986 World Series. Unsigned RHP Kirby Yates' (26) brother Tyler pitched for the Mets in 2004. LHP Jason Determann (35) had a promising future as a reliever, but turned down the opportunity to play pro ball in order to attend medical school.

      Closest To The Majors: Hansen made three appearances for the Red Sox in September and should factor into their beleaguered bullpen in 2006. Ellsbury, Buchholz and Corsaletti are also on the fast track.

      Best Late-Round Pick: Natale has uncanny hand-eye coordination and never hit less than .412 in four years at Trinity. RHP Chris Jones (29), who has the chance to have a plus fastball and curve, is healthy again after shoulder and heel injuries ruined his last two years at Indiana State.

      The One Who Got Away: SS Pedro Alvarez (14), one of the best hitter to come out of New York City since Manny Ramirez, couldn't be lured away from Vanderbilt. The Red Sox signed all 16 picks before him.

      Assessment: In his first draft as scouting director, Jason McLeod had five choices before the second round and made good use of them. A Red Sox system on the rise got even stronger as a result.

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      • #4
        so this sounds like we have real prospects...
        Are you on the list?

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        • #5
          QUOTE(SLUBLUE @ Nov 3 2005, 10:09 AM) Quoted post

          so this sounds like we have real prospects...
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          Way too early to tell......

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          • #6
            Thanks, BS. Before the untimely departure, Theo kept talking about building a $100 MM developmental machine. It looks like he was well on the way. I just hope they don't lose more of his minions to other clubs, as they did with Byrnes. If they can keep the same philosophies, I think great things are in store. I'd love to see them promote Peter Woodfork, who straddled both the developmental and major league operations side.
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            • #7
              QUOTE(SLUBLUE @ Nov 3 2005, 09:09 AM) Quoted post
              so this sounds like we have real prospects... [/b][/quote]



              no shit, especially liked...One scout compared its movement to a Wiffle ball's.
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              • #8
                QUOTE(lazydaze @ Nov 3 2005, 11:21 AM) Quoted post

                QUOTE(SLUBLUE @ Nov 3 2005, 09:09 AM) Quoted post
                so this sounds like we have real prospects... [/b][/quote]



                no shit, especially liked...One scout compared its movement to a Wiffle ball's.
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                Rasmus is as legit a prospect as übercatcher Daric Barton. Maybe not quite as good a hitter, but plenty good enough, and a good defender to boot. He already hits for power, and should continue getting stronger for another 4-5 years. He's got an excellent batting eye - something that's difficult to teach, and gets good reads on the ball in CF. Here are his nubmers from Johnson City of the instructional league:

                G:62 AB:216 R:47 H:64 2B:16 3B:5 HR:7 RBI:27 TB:111 BB:21 SO:73 SB:13 CS:3 OBP:.362 SLG:.514 OPS:.876 AVG:.296


                Daryl Jones was compared in the pre-draft scouting reports to Kenny Lofton with better power (and he's less of an ass to boot). He's very raw, as he'd been focusing on football in highschool, but he plays a good centerfield, if he didn't exactly light up the league with his bat. Good speed/power combo. He was a bit overmatched offensively in his first year, but that was expected. He's more of a "project" that may or may not pan out than a prospect, but at 18, he's got time to improve his game. He's also said to be very committed to baseball and a hard worker. His first-year numbers at Johnson City:

                G:61 AB:182 R:36 H:38 2B:6 3B:1 HR:2 RBI:10 TB:52 BB:15 SO:41 SB:10 CS:4 OBP.311 SLG:.286 OPS:.596 AVG:.209


                Tyler Greene was compared in the pre-draft scouting reports to Derek Jeter. He's a big guy for a shortstop (6'2", 185) and should fill out as he matures. Scouts were worried that he'd have trouble adjusting from aluminum bats to wooden, but he did fine. He didn't show a lot of power, but showed excellent patience in his first year. He's a plus defender, and most expect him to make the majors at some point.

                Tyler started played very well for the New Jersey Cardinals. he was promoted to Palm Beach, and got off to a slow start before picking things up:

                New Jersey Cardinals: G:35 AB:138 R:28 H:36 2B:12 3B:0 HR:1 RBI:18 TB:51 BB:15 SO:37 SB:13 CS:1 OBP:.352 SLG:.370 OPS: .722 AVG:.261
                Palm Beach Cardinals: G:20 AB:85 R:17 H:23 2B:4 3B:0 HR:2 RBI:5 TB:33 BB:5 SO:28 SB:6 CS:0 OBP:.326 SLG:.388 OPS:.714 AVG:.271


                Nick Stavinoha (pronounced Stahv-in-ho) absolutely killed Lo-A pitching in his first year. Skipping over the instructional leagues entirely, he began his pro career at Quad Cities, and ended with the following line:

                Games:65 AB:250 R:54 H:86 2B:9 3B:2 HR:14 RBI:53 TB:141 BB:23 SO:25 SB:4 CS:0 OBP:.398 SLG:.564 OPS:.962 AVG:.344

                That said, the Cardinals drafted him as a 22-y/o, and he turned 23 before the end of the year. He'll need to move up quickly in order to keep his "prospect" tab. Look for him to start out at AA Springfield next year unless he disappoints in ST.

                For those clamoring for a power pitcher, we've got one in Mark McCormick. This guy can flat-out bring it. Plus, he's got a nasty curveball to compliment the FB, and a hard slider. His main issue is control. He strikes out a ton of guys, but also walks more than you'd like to see. He struck out a little better than 9/9 IP, but also walked almost 6/9 IP. That may have been at least partially exascerbated by his workload this year - he was ridden hard by his college coach, pitching a 137-pitch complete game in his final college start. He threw a ton of innings in '05. Hopefully he'll come back rested and ready (and healthy) in the spring.

                New Jersey Cardinals: W/L:0-0 ERA:0.00 G:2 GS:2 CG:0 SHO:0 IP:6.0 H:1 R:0 ER:0 HR:0 BB:3 SO:10
                Swing of the Quad Cities: W/L:1-2 ERA:5.48 G:9 GS:9 CG:0 SHO:0 IP:42.2 H:41 R:27 ER:26 HR:4 BB:28 SO:45

                More later - gotta run.

                -RBB

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                • #9
                  daric barton is a man beast....no way does rasmus equal his beastness [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

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                  • #10
                    QUOTE(RedBirdBrain @ Nov 3 2005, 02:19 PM) Quoted post
                    Tyler Greene was compared in the pre-draft scouting reports to Derek Jeter. He's a big guy for a shortstop (6'2", 185) and should fill out as he matures.
                    [/b][/quote]

                    Sounds like a position change to me...

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                    • #11
                      QUOTE(*007* @ Nov 3 2005, 03:06 PM) Quoted post

                      daric barton is a man beast....no way does rasmus equal his beastness [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
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                      He's an offensive man beast, but one without a real position. He was an OK catcher, but he'd have been a Mike Piazza-type if he'd stayed there. He's slow in the outfield, and short for a 1st baseman. He'll be a terrific DH for the A's, though.

                      Rasmus is as close to a five-tool guy as we have. He already hits for power at an age when most kids are still developing theirs. He hits for average, and is selective enough to draw a walk. He's got above average speed and a good glove. I don't know how strong his arm is, though. He's a plus defender as well as a plus batter, and is the same age as Barton, which is why I said that they're comparable overall.

                      QUOTE(backstop @ Nov 3 2005, 03:15 PM) Quoted post

                      QUOTE(RedBirdBrain @ Nov 3 2005, 02:19 PM) Quoted post
                      Tyler Greene was compared in the pre-draft scouting reports to Derek Jeter. He's a big guy for a shortstop (6'2", 185) and should fill out as he matures.
                      [/b][/quote]

                      Sounds like a position change to me...
                      [/b][/quote]

                      Possibly. Organizations like to draft SSs and convert them to other positions, since they're usually the best defensive guys on HS and college teams. He's certainly big enough to play a corner spot. But, despite his size, he's got a good range, a quick reaction, and a strong arm. He's *very* good defensively right now. Since more and more SSs are bigger nowadays (see Luna, Hector for example), it's entirely possible he'll remain a shortstop.

                      -RBB

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                      • #12
                        RBB - It was in jest....

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                        • #13
                          QUOTE(Lippa @ Nov 3 2005, 10:19 AM) Quoted post

                          Before the untimely departure, Theo kept talking about building a $100 MM developmental machine. It looks like he was well on the way.
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                          Lippa, did you read Bill Simmons take on the Theo resignation? I found it rather interesting.
                          Also thought it ironic that an overrated journalist was calling Theo a bit overrated. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
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                          • #14
                            QUOTE(dhaab @ Nov 3 2005, 06:19 PM) Quoted post

                            QUOTE(Lippa @ Nov 3 2005, 10:19 AM) Quoted post

                            Before the untimely departure, Theo kept talking about building a $100 MM developmental machine. It looks like he was well on the way.
                            [/b][/quote]

                            Lippa, did you read Bill Simmons take on the Theo resignation? I found it rather interesting.
                            Also thought it ironic that an overrated journalist was calling Theo a bit overrated. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
                            [/b][/quote]

                            No, I haven't read it yet. I don't usually put much stock in his sports analysis outside of the NBA though.
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                            • #15
                              I just read his reasons for being overrated, and as I thought, they're very simplisitc. There are definitely reasons to poke holes in Epstein's stature, and he missed the mark on all of them.
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