New Study Warns of Total Loss of Arctic Tundra

[madyaks]

If emissions of heat-trapping gases continue to accumulate in the atmosphere at the current rate, there may be many centuries of warming and a near-total loss of Arctic tundra, according to a new climate study.

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"The message is not to give up because the changes appear overwhelming, but instead the message should be the longer we wait to do something, the worse the consequences."[/b][/quote]

[Moon Man]

We didn't listen.

Moon

[King]

http://www.wanniski.com/showarticle.asp?articleid=4376

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Big Earth, Little Us

To: George Bush & John McCain
From: Jude Wanniski
Re: Keeping Things in Perspective

Involved as you are in your own race, you may not have noticed yet, but the two Democrats in the race both absolutely are certain that we humans are responsible for Global Warming and the U.S. government must do something about it! I'd thought Bill Bradley might challenge Al Gore on this issue, as the Veep practically invented Global Warming. Nope, Bradley has tried to get to Gore's left even with the Tree Huggers and has pledged to lead the crusade against further oxidation of carbon. Indeed, he even says he worries about 1.2 billion Chinese buying autos with internal combustion engines.

On the other hand, neither of you Republican aspirants seem very sure of your ground on the Global Warming issue. Governor Bush, early last year I noticed you came out in favor doing something about Global Warming after being briefed by an environmentalist, but you didn't seem sure of yourself. Senator McCain, I noticed you were asked about G.W. on Hardball last week by a young lady who says she worries about it. Instead of saying what you thought, pro or con, you dodged, saying you would get the best minds to advise you.

If you do, Senator, you should include a physicist among your best minds, as they tend to believe it highly unlikely that humans can warm the planet. Politicians hardly ever ask physicists. Now I'm not great at physics, but I try to keep things in perspective. In the 1970's, when I was writing the energy editorials for The Wall Street Journal, the Club of Rome was insisting mankind was running out of liquid petroleum. Almost all Democrats and most Republicans took the warning seriously. As an old-fashioned reporter, I inquired as to how much oil had been discovered and where it had been discovered. I found that since the discovery of oil in Pennsylvania in 1857, 3.2 million holes had been drilled looking for the stuff, 2.5 million in the U.S., in the Oil Patch. Why were 78% drilled in our little corner of Earth, a few more in Europe and the USSR, and fewer than 5% in the rest of the world. It struck me that we are the only country on earth where citizens who own the surface rights to their property also own the mineral rights! Holy smokes!! The earth barely has been scratched!

It further dawned on me that serious men and women of both political parties not only were in total ignorance of these facts, but they also did not care when I informed them. Their positions were fixed by their parties! There were VOTES to be had in "preserving the environment," even on false assumptions. The late Edmund Muskie of Maine 20 years ago noted how we were running out of space in the United States. New Jersey was his example, as he would observe it while flying or driving along the corridor to Washington, D.C. Hmm. A check of the Almanac showed New Jersey has the highest concentration of people of all 50 states, yet the Department of Agriculture classifies one-third of the Garden State as FOREST, a good chunk of the rest farmland.

Wow! We really are Little. Except the most rabid enviros around -- the editorial writers of the NYTimes, think Big. Living on top of each other, they think grandiose thoughts about how big man is and how small Man has made Mother Nature. Again I grabbed the Almanac and found that if you tried to fit New York State into Nevada, you would have room left over for New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, Delaware, Maryland and most of Lake Ontario!!!

Now I'm onto something, gentlemen. Just because we won the Cold War, we think we are GOD!!! Bigger than life!!! We actually are WARMING THE PLANET even as we exhale, but mostly by driving around in SUV's and stretch limos. Just how Big are we? If we took all the petroleum discovered and produced in the U.S. since 1857, how many barrels would that be? Easy enough, says the American Petroleum Institute: 178 BILLION BARRELS. Wow: 178,000,000,000. A huge number. But how big is that mass? Would it fill Lake Superior? Well, how about Lake Tahoe, on the Nevada-California border? Tahoe is 193 square miles at its surface and 1,640 feet at its deepest point. The Lake Tahoe Regional Commission tells me by telephone there are 946 BILLION BARRELS of water in the lake. CHECK, PLEASE, THIS CAN'T BE TRUE! But it is. All the oil we teeny people have consumed since 1857 would fill less than 20% of the Tahoe that our Creator filled with crystalline fresh water! [If you took all the oil consumed by everyone on earth since 1857 and poured it into Tahoe's crater, it still would fall short of filling it up!!]

Governor? Senator? Don't you understand? We are LITTLE. The Earth is BIG. The NYTimes doesn't know it, and if it does, it wants to keep it secret. The great majority of American people know it, though. Why not tell them you know it too? [/b][/quote]

[SLUBLUE]

What of the Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field?

[dredbyrd]

King,

How many billions of barrels has Jude Wanninski determined we would have to burn before we have an impact on the natural environment?

thanks

[Moe_Szyslak]

The scientists could be wrong, but the overwhelming consensus of the world's experts in this area believe greenhouse gasses are the culprit. The idea that there is any credible/significant counter-belief is a myth.

Jude probably loved playing longshots at the track, too.

[phantom]

QUOTE(Moe_Szyslak @ Nov 2 2005, 10:33 AM) Quoted post

The scientists could be wrong, but the overwhelming consensus of the world's experts in this area believe greenhouse gasses are the culprit. The idea that there is any credible/significant counter-belief is a myth.

Jude probably loved playing longshots at the track, too.
[/b][/quote]

I'm much more concerned about the environment than many Republicans, but I also like to know the truth. Wasn't there an overwhelming belief in the 20th century that there was an impending ice age?

I can't keep up.

[dredbyrd]

QUOTE(phantom @ Nov 2 2005, 10:44 AM) Quoted post

QUOTE(Moe_Szyslak @ Nov 2 2005, 10:33 AM) Quoted post

The scientists could be wrong, but the overwhelming consensus of the world's experts in this area believe greenhouse gasses are the culprit. The idea that there is any credible/significant counter-belief is a myth.

Jude probably loved playing longshots at the track, too.
[/b][/quote]

I'm much more concerned about the environment than many Republicans, but I also like to know the truth. Wasn't there an overwhelming belief in the 20th century that there was an impending ice age?

I can't keep up.
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So overwhelming I never heard of it.

Damn these electric sex pants!

26+31+34+42+44+46+64+67+82+06 = 10

Bring back the death penalty for corporations!

[steveInebriated]

Who carers?

I don't live there.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to release emissions all the way from St. Louis to Columbus.

[Ohio Blues]

Shocking that this is in the New York Times!

[lazydaze]

QUOTE(phantom @ Nov 2 2005, 09:44 AM) Quoted post

QUOTE(Moe_Szyslak @ Nov 2 2005, 10:33 AM) Quoted post

The scientists could be wrong, but the overwhelming consensus of the world's experts in this area believe greenhouse gasses are the culprit. The idea that there is any credible/significant counter-belief is a myth.

Jude probably loved playing longshots at the track, too.
[/b][/quote]

I'm much more concerned about the environment than many Republicans, but I also like to know the truth. Wasn't there an overwhelming belief in the 20th century that there was an impending ice age?

I can't keep up. [/b][/quote]



Well, as the polar caps melt, an enormous amount of cold water will be released into the environment, substantially lowering ocean temperatures and shrinking radiant land mass. Theoretically leading to another ice age. Because of our current distance from, and life cycle of the sun, in and of itself, global warming is not a threat of unbearably warm temperatures, but of effecting the environmental balance that keeps earth hospitable and thriving

Un-Official Sponsor of Randy Choate and Kevin Siegrist

[dredbyrd]

QUOTE(Ohio Blues @ Nov 2 2005, 10:47 AM) Quoted post

Shocking that this is in the New York Times!
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Are they not supposed to report on what the science journals are saying?

[King]

QUOTE(dredbyrd @ Nov 2 2005, 10:29 AM) Quoted post

King,

How many billions of barrels has Jude Wanninski determined we would have to burn before we have an impact on the natural environment?

thanks
[/b][/quote]
Hey dred, let's wait until we burn enough barrels of oil to fill up Lake Tahoe.

I mean, by now we could surely fill up 30% of a lake that doesn't even show up in blue on an atlas.

Big Earth, Little Us.

It's true!

[King]

QUOTE(Moe_Szyslak @ Nov 2 2005, 10:33 AM) Quoted post

The scientists could be wrong, but the overwhelming consensus of the world's experts in this area believe greenhouse gasses are the culprit. The idea that there is any credible/significant counter-belief is a myth.

Jude probably loved playing longshots at the track, too.
[/b][/quote]
Jude was true to his patron - he loved lost causes.

[Blues Fan in TX]

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