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  • Geeky BP readers vote Pujols for MVP, Clemens for Cy Young

    November 1, 2005
    Internet Baseball Awards
    2005 National League Winners


    by Greg Spira


    Now, it's time to complete our look at the winners of the 14th annual Internet Baseball Awards. Yesterday we covered the American League results; today we’ll see which players and managers in the National League our 1,300 plus voters honored for their performances in 2005.

    The point system for the balloting was as follows:


    MVP ballots: 14 points for first-place votes, nine points for second-place votes, eight points for third-place votes, etc., down to one point for a tenth-place vote.

    Cy Young ballots: 10 points for first-place votes, seven points for second-place votes, five points for third-place votes, three points for fourth-place, and one point for fifth-place votes. (This is the one award where our point system differs from the BBWAA point system, because we use a longer ballot.)

    Rookie of the Year ballots: five points for first-place votes, three points for second-place votes, and one point for third-place votes.

    Manager of the Year ballots: five points for first-place votes, three points for second-place votes, and one point for third-place votes.

    And now, the National League results:

    National League Most Valuable Player

    Code:
     Rnk Name123456789 10 B P
    1. Albert Pujols 638454 55 157121101174 13623
    2. Derrek Lee405497165 44 14830211139 11912
    3. Andruw Jones133149323125 86 53 30 30 30 26 9857739
    4. Jason Bay 5 13201170142 82 42 36 30 15 7364598
    5. Miguel Cabrera19 97229186 94 60 35 26 19 7564476
    6. Roger Clemens 6 20125127 95 44 38 26 18 12 5113221
    7. Morgan Ensberg13 51104 91 60 76 50 44 29 5092594
    8. David Wright21 18 41 50 73 69 60 80 49 4431798
    9. Bobby Abreu 26 17 52 84 58 47 33 26 26 3511741
     10. Dontrelle Willis2 10 28 39 42 53 34 48 40 32 3281524

    Complete results for NL MVP
    For the first time since 1999, the winner of the Internet NL MVP Award is not Barry Bonds. In fact, Bonds didn’t even appear on a single ballot after missing most of the 2005 season

    As a result, Albert Pujols, who finished fourth in 2001 and 2002 and second in 2003 and 2004, finally moves into the winner’s circle. Pujols posted an OBP of .430 and a SLG of .609 in a season in which he actually generated less power than he had in the two previous years. With no Bondsian performer in the way, an average Pujols season was sufficient to win more than 52% of the Internet electorate’s first-place votes. This was a clear, though not overwhelming, victory in the MVP voting after a season in which the Cardinals overcame injuries to romp their way to a division title.

    Pujols’ primary competition came from Cubs first baseman Derrek Lee, who posted an OBP of .418 and a SLG of .662 in a career year in 2005 which was perhaps a bit better statistically than Pujols’ season but was not enough to lead the hapless 2005 Cubs anywhere. Lee was impressive enough to capture over a third of netizens’ first-place votes after barely registering a pulse in previous IBA voting; his previous high-water mark was a 34th place finish in the 2003 Internet NL MVP voting. Andruw Jones finished third after hitting a career high 51 home runs (leading the majors in 2005) and achieving a career high .575 slugging percentage, providing the Braves with their only productive middle-of-the-order bat that was healthy all season. Jones was the only other player besides Pujols and Lee to gain significant support for first place; he won the first-place votes of over 11% of the electorate despite a lower batting average than any MVP winner (Internet or BBWAA) has ever posted.

    2004 Internet and BBWAA NL Rookie of the Year Jason Bay only got five first-place votes, but the second-year player overcame the curse of the sophomore slump to earn a fourth-place finish in the MVP voting with a .402 OBP and a .559 SLG along with 20 steals (against 1 caught stealing) after finishing in a tie for 67th in his rookie year. Marlins up-and-comer Miguel Cabrera may still be learning how to be a professional, but, like Bay, he slugged his way into the elite in his second full season, finishing fifth; Cabrera had finished 20th in the 2004 vote. Five-time Internet Cy Young winner Roger Clemens, finishing in sixth place, was the highest ranking pitcher in the balloting. Clemens’ finish marks the fifth time he has been voted into the top ten in Internet MVP voting; he finished eighth in 1991 and 1993, third in 1997, and seventh in 1998. Another Astro finished in seventh place, but this one is a relative newcomer, Morgan Ensberg, whose only previous appearance in MVP voting was a sixty-first place finish back in 2003. In 2005, though, Ensberg was the only big bat Houston had in the lineup for the whole season, and he came through with a .388 OBP and a .577 SLG while playing an excellent third base defensively. David Wright, who finished eighth, used his first full season to become the first Met to appear in the top ten since Mike Piazza finished second in 2000. Bobby Abreu, in ninth place, was the only player besides Pujols who finished in last year’s NL top ten to make it again this year.

    In fact, the only players in this year’s top ten to have previously appeared in any year’s top ten were Pujols, Abreu, and Clemens. 2005 may very well mark the changing of the guard in the National League to a new set of stars. Todd Helton played like a somewhat faded star in 2005, finishing twenty-third and out of the top twenty for the first time since 1999. A star who has definitely faded in recent years, Ken Griffey Jr., made a significant comeback in 2005 and finished twentieth, his highest finish in Internet MVP voting since 1999. Griffey was the top AL performer of the 1990s, and finished in the top ten in Internet AL MVP voting seven times in nine years, but injuries have prevented Griffey from being even a moderate force in the game.

    Meanwhile, Internet MVP voters gave little support to relief pitchers this year; the highest placing reliever, in 30th place, was Chad Cordero, the Nationals closer. His 47 saves and 1.82 ERA were key to keeping his team in the pennant race for almost the entire season. His 30th place ranking is the second lowest “top” finish for a reliever in Internet NL MVP Award voting history.


    National League Cy Young

    Code:
     Rnk Name12345 B P
    1. Roger Clemens 622253193 48 2311399123
    2. Chris Carpenter 282364328 77 3810897277
    3. Dontrelle Willis229309287156 5210336408
    4. Andy Pettitte24148149216133 6702802
    5. Pedro Martinez6 35 66166205 4781338

    Complete results for NL Cy Young
    Roger Clemens survived a mediocre September to win the 2005 Internet NL Cy Young Award, his first National League Internet Cy and his fifth overall. For much of the year, Clemens looked like he might be able to hold his ERA under 1.50 for the entire season, an accomplishment only one pitcher--Bob Gibson in 1968--has achieved since the dead ball era. Injuries sapped Clemens’ effectiveness in September, however, and his ERA rose significantly, but he still finished the season with a 1.87 ERA, the best mark of his illustrious career and the ninth lowest ERA in a season since 1968. Hampered by the fourth worst run support in the league, Clemens did not get credited for many wins this season and is thus unlikely to win the BBWAA vote, but more than 52% of Internet voters made him their first choice.

    Clearly, though, there was more than one Cy Young quality season in the National League in 2005, and Chris Carpenter, the second-place finisher, also had such a season, and as a result was the first choice of over 23% of the voters. The Cardinals hurler threw 241.2 innings while posting a 2.83 ERA, and was the clear ace on a team which won over 100 games. Posting career highs in virtually every important pitching statistic and a strikeout to walk ratio of over 4 to 1, Carpenter tied for the league lead in quality starts and had a year to remember. Carpenter’s first appearance in the IBA results was just last year, when he finished fourteenth; he had never received a single vote before 2004. Dontrelle Willis, who finished in third place just behind Carpenter, also had a Cy worthy season on the mound in 2005, and had a very good season (for a pitcher) with the bat as well. Willis, who finished thirteenth in 2003 and 64th in 2004, captured over 19% of the electorate’s first-place votes after a 2005 season in which he threw 236.1 innings and posted a 2.63 ERA.

    Three Astros besides Roger Clemens also finished in the top ten. Andy Pettitte rebounded from an injury plagued 2004 and finished fourth after posting a 2.39 ERA in 222.1 innings. This marks Pettitte’s third top ten finish; he previously finished third in 1996 and sixth in 2000 as a Yankee in the American League. Roy Oswalt’s 2.97 ERA in 241.2 innings pitched won him a sixth-place finish, his fourth top ten finish in the last five years; he finished fifth in 2004, third in 2002, and seventh in 2001. Brad Lidge, another Astro, finished ninth after saving 42 games in 46 opportunities. Lidge, who finished tenth in 2004, was the highest ranking relief pitcher in this year’s balloting, finishing just ahead of Chad Cordero.

    Pedro Martinez, meanwhile, may have found a new team with the Mets but he still pitched like the Pedro of old, finishing in the top five for the eighth time in nine years. A four-time Internet Cy Young winner with victories in 1997, 1999, 2000 and 2002, he finished fifth the last two seasons and finished second in 1998 and 2003.


    National League Rookie of the Year

    Code:
     Rnk Name123 B P
    1. Ryan Howard 536276 56 8683564
    2. Jeff Francoeur210368290 8682444
    3. Zach Duke 241210199 6502034
    4. Willy Taveras50 66100 216 548
    5. Rickie Weeks 13 44 47 104 244

    Complete results for NL Rookie of the Year
    The 2005 Internet NL Rookie of the Year would never have gotten a chance to play regularly in the majors last season if his team’s biggest star hadn’t been felled by injury. When Jim Thome went down, however, Ryan Howard took full advantage of his opportunity, defying his doubters by posting a .356 OBP and a .567 SLG in 348 plate appearances. As a result of his performance, Howard earned the first-place votes of 48% of the electorate and the award. Jeff Francoeur edged Zach Duke for second place by exceeding the Braves’ expectations with a .549 SLG in 70 games. Francouer was one of many rookies and young players who kept the Braves’ division hopes afloat when the team’s veterans went down. Duke finished third after pitching 85.1 dominating innings for the Pirates with a 1.81 ERA. Willy Taveras proved that you can too steal first base by banging out 71 infield hits and finished in fourth place, while uberprospect Rickie Weeks showed enough potential in a half-season with the Brewers to finish fifth.


    National League Manager of the Year

    Code:
     Rnk Name123 B P
    1. Bobby Cox 862146 3410424782
    2. Phil Garner83290169 5421454
    3. Tony LaRussa 85254202 5411389
    4. Frank Robinson 48163171 382 900
    5. Ned Yost 32153120 305 739

    Complete results for NL Manager of the Year
    No, it’s not a misprint; the results for the 2005 Internet National League Manager of the Year Award look very similar to the 2004 results. Bobby Cox once again finished first by taking an unstable Braves team to yet another division title. Cox is now the first three-time Internet Manager of the Year Award winner; he has four third-place finishes along with his three victories in the eight years Internet voters have been selecting the best managers. Phil Garner once again finished second by bringing an Astros team that looked hopelessly behind in June to a playoff spot. Tony LaRussa once again got solid but not overwhelming support from the electorate after managing his talented team to the NL Central title; he finished third. Jim Tracy, however, got fired after the 2005 season, a very different result from his third-place finish at the end of 2004. Frank Robinson, meanwhile, finished fourth after escaping from Montreal to Washington, DC and keeping an ownerless, mediocre Nationals team in the playoff hunt all season, and Ned Yost finished fifth as a result of leading the Brewers to their first non-losing record since 1992.

  • #2
    ...then they had to vacate the basement family room, because Greg's mom was having a Mary Kay party.
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    • #3
      I can't take any voting seriously that doesn't include VORP as evidence.

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      • #4
        QUOTE(Iowa_Card @ Nov 1 2005, 03:18 PM) Quoted post

        I can't take any voting seriously that doesn't include VORP as evidence.
        [/b][/quote]

        Clearly a flawed result in the balloting...

        VORP for Position Players
        Code:
        # NAME TEAM LG YEAR POS PA PA% AVG OBP SLG SB CS MLVr PMLVr VORPr MLV PMLV VORP 
        1. Derrek Lee CHN NL 2005 1B 691 11.2% .335 .418 .662 15 3 .531 0.477 0.648 86.8 77.9 105.9 
        2. Albert Pujols SLN NL 2005 1B 695 11.2% .333 .433 .614 16 2 .495 0.443 0.618 80.4 71.9 100.3 
        3. Alex Rodriguez NYA AL 2005 3B 715 11.2% .321 .421 .610 21 6 .446 0.477 0.613 72.6 77.6 99.7 
        4. David Ortiz BOS AL 2005 DH 713 11.1% .300 .397 .604 1 0 .366 0.407 0.529 59.5 66.0 85.8 
        5. Jason Bay PIT NL 2005 LF 703 11.4% .308 .404 .563 21 1 .358 0.351 0.504 58.9 57.8 82.9 
        6. Mike Young TEX AL 2005 SS 732 11.6% .331 .385 .513 5 2 .257 0.357 0.473 43.6 60.5 80.1 
        7. Miguel Cabrera FLO NL 2005 LF 685 11.0% .323 .385 .561 1 0 .371 0.362 0.482 59.7 58.2 77.5 
        8. Travis Hafner CLE AL 2005 DH 578 9.2% .305 .408 .595 0 0 .410 0.457 0.574 55.3 61.6 77.3 
        9. Mark Teixeira TEX AL 2005 1B 730 11.6% .301 .379 .575 4 0 .300 0.269 0.432 50.7 45.4 73.1 
        10. Vladimir Guerrero ANA AL 2005 RF 594 9.6% .317 .394 .565 13 1 .361 0.374 0.517 50.6 52.3 72.5 
        11. Carlos Delgado FLO NL 2005 1B 616 9.9% .301 .399 .582 0 0 .395 0.342 0.496 57.1 49.5 71.7 
        12. Miguel Tejada BAL AL 2005 SS 704 11.5% .304 .349 .515 5 1 .199 0.300 0.419 33.3 50.2 70.0 
        13. Brian Roberts BAL AL 2005 2B 640 10.4% .314 .384 .515 27 10 .263 0.327 0.456 40.0 49.7 69.4 
        14. Manny Ramirez BOS AL 2005 LF 650 10.2% .292 .388 .594 1 0 .333 0.341 0.463 49.2 50.4 68.5 
        15. Todd Helton COL NL 2005 1B 626 10.0% .320 .444 .534 3 0 .354 0.300 0.461 51.8 43.9 67.4 
        16. Derek Jeter NYA AL 2005 SS 752 11.7% .309 .386 .450 13 5 .167 0.269 0.387 28.6 46.0 66.3 
        17. David Wright NYN NL 2005 3B 657 10.7% .306 .388 .523 17 7 .292 0.302 0.424 45.6 47.1 66.1 
        18. Brian Giles SDN NL 2005 RF 674 10.7% .301 .423 .483 13 5 .302 0.293 0.416 47.3 45.9 65.2 
        19. Chase Utley PHI NL 2005 2B 628 9.9% .291 .376 .540 16 3 .258 0.297 0.432 37.3 42.8 62.3 
        20. Morgan Ensberg HOU NL 2005 3B 624 10.2% .283 .388 .557 6 7 .303 0.313 0.413 45.1 46.6 61.5 
        21. Andruw Jones ATL NL 2005 CF 672 10.9% .263 .347 .575 5 3 .242 0.272 0.385 38.4 43.0 60.9 
        22. Jeff Kent LAN NL 2005 2B 637 10.4% .289 .377 .512 6 2 .245 0.280 0.400 37.0 42.3 60.5 
        23. Victor Martinez CLE AL 2005 C 622 9.9% .305 .378 .475 0 1 .205 0.338 0.415 29.7 49.0 60.2 
        24. Ken Griffey Jr. CIN NL 2005 CF 555 8.8% .301 .369 .576 0 1 .320 0.350 0.459 41.2 45.0 59.2 
        25. Jason Giambi NYA AL 2005 1B 545 8.5% .271 .440 .535 0 0 .330 0.331 0.470 41.0 41.0 58.4 
        26. Jhonny Peralta CLE AL 2005 SS 570 9.1% .292 .365 .520 0 2 .232 0.334 0.438 30.8 44.4 58.2 
        27. Bobby Abreu PHI NL 2005 RF 719 11.3% .286 .405 .474 31 9 .215 0.202 0.344 35.6 33.4 56.9 
        28. Gary Sheffield NYA AL 2005 RF 675 10.5% .291 .379 .512 10 2 .223 0.236 0.368 34.3 36.2 56.6 
        29. Paul Konerko CHA AL 2005 1B 664 10.8% .283 .375 .534 0 0 .231 0.203 0.357 36.4 31.9 56.3 
        30. Richie Sexson SEA AL 2005 1B 656 10.8% .263 .369 .541 1 1 .235 0.203 0.358 36.9 31.8 56.2

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        • #5
          QUOTE(backstop @ Nov 1 2005, 03:14 PM) Quoted post

          National League Rookie of the Year

          Code:
           Rnk Name123 B P
          1. Ryan Howard 536276 56 8683564
          2. Jeff Francoeur210368290 8682444
          3. Zach Duke 241210199 6502034
          4. Willy Taveras50 66100 216 548
          5. Rickie Weeks 13 44 47 104 244

          Complete results for NL Rookie of the Year
          The 2005 Internet NL Rookie of the Year would never have gotten a chance to play regularly in the majors last season if his team’s biggest star hadn’t been felled by injury. When Jim Thome went down, however, Ryan Howard took full advantage of his opportunity, defying his doubters by posting a .356 OBP and a .567 SLG in 348 plate appearances. As a result of his performance, Howard earned the first-place votes of 48% of the electorate and the award. Jeff Francoeur edged Zach Duke for second place by exceeding the Braves’ expectations with a .549 SLG in 70 games. Francouer was one of many rookies and young players who kept the Braves’ division hopes afloat when the team’s veterans went down. Duke finished third after pitching 85.1 dominating innings for the Pirates with a 1.81 ERA. Willy Taveras proved that you can too steal first base by banging out 71 infield hits and finished in fourth place, while uberprospect Rickie Weeks showed enough potential in a half-season with the Brewers to finish fifth.
          [/b][/quote]

          And this has to be complete bullshit. Everyone knows that John Gall is the Internet Rookie of the Year.

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          • #6
            Dusty got a first place vote? Yowza.
            The noise was good, but I thought they phoned in a lot of the funk.

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            • #7
              Pujols losing to Lee would be depressing, but justifiable.

              Pujols losing to Andruw Jones and his .263 batting average would suck.
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              • #8
                QUOTE(kah @ Nov 1 2005, 02:32 PM) Quoted post
                Pujols losing to Lee would be depressing, but justifiable.

                Pujols losing to Andruw Jones and his .263 batting average would suck. [/b][/quote]



                Yeah he hit .263, but when it mattered, when the team needed him to win game for them he did. What would be scary is his numbers if he hit 300, hell he already led in HR and RBI, imagine if he hit good all the time not just when they needed him to.

                Hitting for high average is nice, but what does it matter if you don't drive in as many runs.

                Give me a guy who drives in run over a guy who hits for average every time.

                And unlike the geek awards, the PLAYERS, his peers, people who know the game better than any of us voted for Andruw.
                Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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                • #9
                  QUOTE(madyaks @ Nov 1 2005, 02:35 PM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(kah @ Nov 1 2005, 02:32 PM) Quoted post
                  Pujols losing to Lee would be depressing, but justifiable.

                  Pujols losing to Andruw Jones and his .263 batting average would suck. [/b][/quote]



                  Yeah he hit .263, but when it mattered, when the team needed him to win game for them he did. What would be scary is his numbers if he hit 300, hell he already led in HR and RBI, imagine if he hit good all the time not just when they needed him to.

                  Hitting for high average is nice, but what does it matter if you don't drive in as many runs.

                  Give me a guy who drives in run over a guy who hits for average every time.

                  And unlike the geek awards, the PLAYERS, his peers, people who know the game better than any of us voted for Andruw.
                  [/b][/quote]How was that RISP?

                  Yep, Mr. Clutch...

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                  • #10
                    Kah, look what you did.

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                    • #11
                      QUOTE(backstop @ Nov 1 2005, 12:38 PM) Quoted post

                      Kah, look what you did.
                      [/b][/quote]


                      Oh, it's OK. Just gives us a chance to say "HE HIT .207 WITH RUNNERS IN SCORING POSITION, YOU DUMBASS!!!".

                      Then again, that would be rude.
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                      • #12
                        QUOTE(*007* @ Nov 1 2005, 02:38 PM) Quoted post
                        QUOTE(madyaks @ Nov 1 2005, 02:35 PM) Quoted post

                        QUOTE(kah @ Nov 1 2005, 02:32 PM) Quoted post
                        Pujols losing to Lee would be depressing, but justifiable.

                        Pujols losing to Andruw Jones and his .263 batting average would suck. [/b][/quote]



                        Yeah he hit .263, but when it mattered, when the team needed him to win game for them he did. What would be scary is his numbers if he hit 300, hell he already led in HR and RBI, imagine if he hit good all the time not just when they needed him to.

                        Hitting for high average is nice, but what does it matter if you don't drive in as many runs.

                        Give me a guy who drives in run over a guy who hits for average every time.

                        And unlike the geek awards, the PLAYERS, his peers, people who know the game better than any of us voted for Andruw.
                        [/b][/quote]How was that RISP?

                        Yep, Mr. Clutch...
                        [/b][/quote]

                        Not too good, but even with that he did it when he and the team needed him to. He carried the team when everyone else was hurt.

                        But don't take my word for it, ask the players who voted for him.
                        Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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                        • #13
                          QUOTE
                          but when it mattered, when the team needed him to win game for them he did. [/b][/quote]

                          ooops
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                          • #14
                            I do not understand the Cox infatuation.
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                            • #15
                              QUOTE(lazydaze @ Nov 1 2005, 02:41 PM) Quoted post
                              QUOTE
                              but when it mattered, when the team needed him to win game for them he did. [/b][/quote]

                              ooops



                              [/b][/quote]



                              Yeah OOOOPS
                              Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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