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    11-1-05:

    With free-agent right fielder Brian Giles appeared headed for St. Louis, the Cubs are likely to sign or trade for one or possibly two outfielders, depending on the Patterson decision. Florida center fielder Juan Pierre reportedly is on the market, and despite a down year with a .276 average and .326 on-base percentage, his 57 steals and experience as a leadoff man would aid the Cubs.
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  • #2
    Giles AND Pierre.

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    • #3
      awesome.

      This is a big deal.

      Big like Steve's drinking problem, not big like my penis.
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      • #4
        Pierre would be an awesome pickup as well.
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        • #5
          Who would you rather have? Pierre or Giles?
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          • #6
            QUOTE(ElviswasaBluesFan @ Nov 1 2005, 10:01 AM) Quoted post

            Who would you rather have? Pierre or Giles?
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            yes and yes.

            They are not mutually exclusive.
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            • #7
              Here's the whole thing, which adds zero context or support:

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              In a Rusch: Cubs re-sign lefty as insurance

              By Paul Sullivan
              Tribune staff reporter

              November 1, 2005, 12:01 AM CST


              The Cubs welcomed Glendon Rusch back on Monday with no guarantees, no promises and no secret agreements.

              Rusch will be the Cubs' fifth starter in 2006 ... unless he's not.


              In the Cubs' version of rotation roulette, Rusch was signed to a two-year, $6 million deal with the idea he will be a member of the starting five come Opening Day.

              "I did assure him he would be back as a starting candidate and that I didn't have any interest in putting him in the bullpen," general manager Jim Hendry said.

              But Rusch also said he understands Hendry has publicly stated his desire to acquire or sign another starting pitcher this off-season, and he knows he could be crowded out if the Cubs get into the bidding for A.J. Burnett or Kevin Millwood.

              Rusch passed up a chance to be a guaranteed starter elsewhere to stay with the team with which he resurrected his career, no matter what role he winds up in. Even if the left-hander gets elbowed out of the rotation, he would still be in position to take Greg Maddux's spot if Maddux retires after next year.

              "I thought there were teams that would have" guaranteed a starting job, Rusch said. "But at the same time, I didn't want to go somewhere else for more money or better odds of starting. I told [Hendry] in September all I wanted was an opportunity to start and the security of a two-year deal. I didn't want to have to talk to other teams."

              Rusch, who will be 31 next season, will receive $2.75 million next season and $3.25 million in 2007 and can earn incentives based on number of starts.

              Despite bringing back Rusch, the Cubs still are intrigued by the possibility of adding another power arm like Burnett. After back-to-back springs dealing with injuries to Kerry Wood and Mark Prior, and with Wood coming off shoulder surgery in September, Hendry wants six quality starters going into Arizona next February.

              "I am not going to be caught short," Hendry said. "We've had good health reports on everyone, but I'm not going to take a chance of going to spring training and someone goes down. Or there's a snag in someone's rehab. Or so-and-so is off to a bad start."

              Hendry will have the option of allowing Wood more time to strengthen his shoulder or moving Rusch to his former role as reliever and spot starter if Wood is OK by Opening Day.

              Burnett was only 12-12 with a 3.44 earned-run average for Florida last season, but he ranked sixth in the National League with 8.53 strikeouts per nine innings. Prior finished first in that category (10.15 per nine) and Carlos Zambrano ranked 10th (8.14).Wood has a career average of 10.43 strikeouts per nine.

              Millwood (9-11 but with a 2.86 ERA last season) has told Cleveland he wants a three- or four-year deal to stay, and Indians general manager Mark Shapiro said the organization will step "beyond our comfort zone" to retain him.

              At the Cubs' organizational meetings next week, the biggest topics will be whether to go hard after Atlanta free-agent shortstop Rafael Furcal and what to do about center fielder Corey Patterson. Atlanta has discussed the possibility of re-signing Furcal, whom many in the Cubs organization covet for his defense and leadoff experience.

              Patterson worked for two weeks recently in Mesa, Ariz., with minor-league instructor Von Joshua, who tutored Ronny Cedeno and Matt Murton. Early indications are Patterson may be packaged in a trade, though nothing has been decided.

              With free-agent right fielder Brian Giles appeared headed for St. Louis, the Cubs are likely to sign or trade for one or possibly two outfielders, depending on the Patterson decision. Florida center fielder Juan Pierre reportedly is on the market, and despite a down year with a .276 average and .326 on-base percentage, his 57 steals and experience as a leadoff man would aid the Cubs.

              Murton and Cedeno have earned starting jobs, though their positions will be determined by Hendry's winter moves.

              "No one is assured of anything," he said.

              Hendry promptly paused and corrected himself.

              "[Derrek] Lee will be at first," he said.
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              • #8
                QUOTE(BringBackZezel @ Nov 1 2005, 10:02 AM) Quoted post

                QUOTE(ElviswasaBluesFan @ Nov 1 2005, 10:01 AM) Quoted post

                Who would you rather have? Pierre or Giles?
                [/b][/quote]

                yes and yes.

                They are not mutually exclusive.
                [/b][/quote]

                That would be fookin sweet. Pierre leading off and Eck in the #2 spot.

                Too bad it won't happen.
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                • #9
                  personally.. id rather have pierre..

                  he's younger.. cheaper.. and a great on-base guy...

                  have pierre and eckstein in front of pujols in our lineup next year would mean an even bigger RBI year for albert.

                  of course, giles isnt too shabby an on base guy himself.
                  i just worry that giles might fall into a bidding war between STL, Chicago, Houston, the Yankees, and who knows who else..

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                  • #10
                    Giles over Pierre for me. Not even close.

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                    • #11
                      I don't see the fascination with Pierre.

                      Get me Furcal and Giles, resign Reggie and Taguchi, and I'm a happy guy.
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                      • #12
                        actually, I think Pierre is the perfect fit for this club.

                        he's 28, fast, left handed and a solid OF.

                        Although Tony likes to have some power in the #2 spot, think of the hit and runs you could do with Eckstein hitting after Pierre.

                        along with Giles, Edmonds, Pujols and Sanders, you'd have 3 LH and 3 RH batters in your top 6.

                        It's be interesting to have 3 LH OFs, though.
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                        • #13
                          I'm just not a big Pierre fan. His arm's a liability anywhere you put him in the OF, his only asset on defense, speed, will be negated if he plays in LF, if he doesn't hit for a high BA, his OBP is going to be abysmal for a leadoff hitter, and he's a good, not great basestealer. Plus, throw in whatever we would have to give up to get him, and I don't think it'd be worth the risk.

                          I'd love Giles for two or three years, but the thought of a bidding war scares the hell out of me. Giles over Pierre for sure, but I'd only want Giles at the right price and length of his contract.

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                          • #14
                            How could Pierre, Giles, Edmonds, and Sanders be in the same lineup?
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                            • #15
                              Giles is the prototypical TLR #2 guy. Lefthanded OBP machine with power.

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