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**Tazlaz** · 10-17-2005, 02:42 PM

wow, anyone surprised at how low Notre Dame is when looking at their schedule?

edit: and their rank in the human polls

**Jaws** · 10-17-2005, 02:49 PM

QUOTE(tallahassee blues fan @ Oct 17 2005, 03:40 PM) Quoted post

Rk Team BCS Average
1 USC .9923
2 Texas .9591
3 Virginia Tech .9067
4 Georgia .8933
5 Alabama .8220
6 LSU .7078
7 Texas Tech .7034
8 Miami (FL) .6928
9 UCLA .6675
10 Penn State .5860
11 Florida State .5682
12 Boston College .5113
13 Oregon .4772
14 Wisconsin .4648
15 Ohio State .4259
16 Notre Dame .3985
17 West Virginia .3562
18 Auburn .3210
19 Tennessee .2905
20 Florida .2799
21 TCU .1972
22 Minnesota .1371
23 Nebraska .1296
24 Michigan State .0971
25 California .0821
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Where's Idaho?

**Blues Fan in TX** · 10-17-2005, 02:52 PM

If the Illini are anywhere other than dead last, they are ranked too high [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]

**madyaks** · 10-17-2005, 02:54 PM

QUOTE(Tazlaz @ Oct 17 2005, 03:42 PM) Quoted post

wow, anyone surprised at how low Notre Dame is when looking at their schedule?

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They have lost 2 games at home, right?

**ironman** · 10-17-2005, 02:55 PM

Notre Dame 16th. What the hell?

**cardinalgirl** · 10-17-2005, 02:55 PM

so is it a surprise that WV is number 17? I don't really know enough about this but I like WV when I see them.

is 17 good for them?

**sherwood koho** · 10-17-2005, 02:58 PM

QUOTE(Tazlaz @ Oct 17 2005, 04:42 PM) Quoted post

wow, anyone surprised at how low Notre Dame is when looking at their schedule?

edit: and their rank in the human polls
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Nope. I believe I read that the teams they have actually beat are a combined 8-16. They have lost 2 home games. I don't know how they didn't drop in the polls. I mean Ohio State took the #2 team in the country to the final 2 minutes of the game, and lost at home, and dropped 5 spots. ND took the #1 team in the country to the final seconds of the game, and lost at home, and didn't drop at all. It's a joke how much the media is in love with these guys. I didn't move OSU much in my poll after they lost to Texas, and I didn't move ND much after thier most recent loss. At least the writers could be consistent.

The common opponent between OSU and ND was MSU. Ohio State beat them at home, ND lost to them at home. I think the BCS is right on thus far, except for Texas Tech. I saw the bowl projections today and ND and OSU are on a crash course for the Fiesta Bowl. That would be sweet.

**BringBackZezel** · 10-17-2005, 03:12 PM

QUOTE(sherwood koho @ Oct 17 2005, 03:58 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(Tazlaz @ Oct 17 2005, 04:42 PM) Quoted post

wow, anyone surprised at how low Notre Dame is when looking at their schedule?

edit: and their rank in the human polls
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Nope. I believe I read that the teams they have actually beat are a combined 8-16. They have lost 2 home games. I don't know how they didn't drop in the polls. I mean Ohio State took the #2 team in the country to the final 2 minutes of the game, and lost at home, and dropped 5 spots. ND took the #1 team in the country to the final seconds of the game, and lost at home, and didn't drop at all. It's a joke how much the media is in love with these guys. I didn't move OSU much in my poll after they lost to Texas, and I didn't move ND much after thier most recent loss. At least the writers could be consistent.
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1: Notre Dame did drop in one poll with their loss. 3 spots, in fact.
2: Part of the reason is that's because Notre Dame's ranking going into the game (9) was accurate for a team to lose in the final seconds at home to the #1 team. Ohio State's ranking of 4 (7) going into the Texas game was more deserving of a drop in place....especially in the early part of the season. It's hard to make your case that "the media is in love with these guys" when you consider that after Ohio State's loss to #2 Texas, they dropped to #9 and after Notre Dame's similar loss to #1 USC, they ended up at #9.

That's very consistent.

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**BringBackZezel** · 10-17-2005, 03:14 PM

Everyone needs to get off Texas Tech's back.

They're undefeated and they're in a major conference. They've earned their ranking.

Yes, they've had an easy schedule up to now....but if they remain undefeated, they very much earn a BCS game.
On the other hand, once they lose (and they will), they will drop greatly...below many 1 loss teams because of their schedule.

**Tazlaz** · 10-17-2005, 03:17 PM

QUOTE(sherwood koho @ Oct 17 2005, 03:58 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(Tazlaz @ Oct 17 2005, 04:42 PM) Quoted post

wow, anyone surprised at how low Notre Dame is when looking at their schedule?

edit: and their rank in the human polls
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Nope. I believe I read that the teams they have actually beat are a combined 8-16. They have lost 2 home games. I don't know how they didn't drop in the polls. I mean Ohio State took the #2 team in the country to the final 2 minutes of the game, and lost at home, and dropped 5 spots. ND took the #1 team in the country to the final seconds of the game, and lost at home, and didn't drop at all. It's a joke how much the media is in love with these guys. I didn't move OSU much in my poll after they lost to Texas, and I didn't move ND much after thier most recent loss. At least the writers could be consistent.

The common opponent between OSU and ND was MSU. Ohio State beat them at home, ND lost to them at home. I think the BCS is right on thus far, except for Texas Tech. I saw the bowl projections today and ND and OSU are on a crash course for the Fiesta Bowl. That would be sweet.
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I wasnt questioning Ohio State's positioning. To be honest I didnt even notice theyre 1 spot ahead of Notre Dame. I think both should be higher.

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**Jaws** · 10-17-2005, 03:19 PM

QUOTE(Tazlaz @ Oct 17 2005, 03:42 PM) Quoted post

wow, anyone surprised at how low Notre Dame is when looking at their schedule?

edit: and their rank in the human polls
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No, not really. Ohio State and Notre Dame are the highest rated teams with 2 losses. For the computer rankings, the BCS mandates that margin of score is not a factor. This was implemented to avoid teams running up the score to improve their BCS ranking. A noble sentiment but it backfires in practice. ND's plays USC tougher than anyone else yet, the loss against USC isn't counted any differently. Note that Sagarin's rating for ND would be much higher if score was a factor.

The same thing has happened with strength of schedule. Texas Tech should be penalized for playing a known cupcake schedule. Unfortunately, good teams are at the mercy of minor teams that are two or three degrees of separation from the principals. A few years back, USC was waiting for how Hawaii did against an opponent USC did not play to know if they would qualify. They got in that position because opponents, like Notre Dame, scheduled years in advance had down years. Texas is under the gun for the same reason this year. Texas may be the best team in the country yet miss out in the BCS title game. Is it their fault Oklahoma, a traditional rival, has had a down year?

**sherwood koho** · 10-17-2005, 03:38 PM

QUOTE(BringBackZezel @ Oct 17 2005, 05:12 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(sherwood koho @ Oct 17 2005, 03:58 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(Tazlaz @ Oct 17 2005, 04:42 PM) Quoted post

wow, anyone surprised at how low Notre Dame is when looking at their schedule?

edit: and their rank in the human polls
[/b][/quote]

Nope. I believe I read that the teams they have actually beat are a combined 8-16. They have lost 2 home games. I don't know how they didn't drop in the polls. I mean Ohio State took the #2 team in the country to the final 2 minutes of the game, and lost at home, and dropped 5 spots. ND took the #1 team in the country to the final seconds of the game, and lost at home, and didn't drop at all. It's a joke how much the media is in love with these guys. I didn't move OSU much in my poll after they lost to Texas, and I didn't move ND much after thier most recent loss. At least the writers could be consistent.
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1: Notre Dame did drop in one poll with their loss. 3 spots, in fact.
2: Part of the reason is that's because Notre Dame's ranking going into the game (9) was accurate for a team to lose in the final seconds at home to the #1 team. Ohio State's ranking of 4 (7) going into the Texas game was more deserving of a drop in place....especially in the early part of the season. It's hard to make your case that "the media is in love with these guys" when you consider that after Ohio State's loss to #2 Texas, they dropped to #9 and after Notre Dame's similar loss to #1 USC, they ended up at #9.

That's very consistent.
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1. And you will notice that when I say "the writers are in love with ND," that would refer to the AP poll, the one in which they did not drop, and the one that is refered to almost exclusively when teams are announced as "#x team".
2. I'm not following your explanation, but oh well. A loss has always warranted a drop in the polls, unless you are ND.

**sherwood koho** · 10-17-2005, 03:42 PM

QUOTE(Tazlaz @ Oct 17 2005, 05:17 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(sherwood koho @ Oct 17 2005, 03:58 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(Tazlaz @ Oct 17 2005, 04:42 PM) Quoted post

wow, anyone surprised at how low Notre Dame is when looking at their schedule?

edit: and their rank in the human polls
[/b][/quote]

Nope. I believe I read that the teams they have actually beat are a combined 8-16. They have lost 2 home games. I don't know how they didn't drop in the polls. I mean Ohio State took the #2 team in the country to the final 2 minutes of the game, and lost at home, and dropped 5 spots. ND took the #1 team in the country to the final seconds of the game, and lost at home, and didn't drop at all. It's a joke how much the media is in love with these guys. I didn't move OSU much in my poll after they lost to Texas, and I didn't move ND much after thier most recent loss. At least the writers could be consistent.

The common opponent between OSU and ND was MSU. Ohio State beat them at home, ND lost to them at home. I think the BCS is right on thus far, except for Texas Tech. I saw the bowl projections today and ND and OSU are on a crash course for the Fiesta Bowl. That would be sweet.
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I wasnt questioning Ohio State's positioning. To be honest I didnt even notice theyre 1 spot ahead of Notre Dame. I think both should be higher.
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I'm not questioning their position either. I just wanted to point out that I think their ranking is justified considering who is in front of them, and their overall strength of schedule. I think both will move up considering almost everyone in front of these 2 will have to play either other. ND's schedule is not as strong as the media wants it to be. They have only one "tough" game left on their schedule, the frauds of Tennessee. They will win out and be selected for a BCS bowl in spite of all this.

**BringBackZezel** · 10-17-2005, 03:43 PM

QUOTE(sherwood koho @ Oct 17 2005, 04:38 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(BringBackZezel @ Oct 17 2005, 05:12 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(sherwood koho @ Oct 17 2005, 03:58 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(Tazlaz @ Oct 17 2005, 04:42 PM) Quoted post

wow, anyone surprised at how low Notre Dame is when looking at their schedule?

edit: and their rank in the human polls
[/b][/quote]

Nope. I believe I read that the teams they have actually beat are a combined 8-16. They have lost 2 home games. I don't know how they didn't drop in the polls. I mean Ohio State took the #2 team in the country to the final 2 minutes of the game, and lost at home, and dropped 5 spots. ND took the #1 team in the country to the final seconds of the game, and lost at home, and didn't drop at all. It's a joke how much the media is in love with these guys. I didn't move OSU much in my poll after they lost to Texas, and I didn't move ND much after thier most recent loss. At least the writers could be consistent.
[/b][/quote]

1: Notre Dame did drop in one poll with their loss. 3 spots, in fact.
2: Part of the reason is that's because Notre Dame's ranking going into the game (9) was accurate for a team to lose in the final seconds at home to the #1 team. Ohio State's ranking of 4 (7) going into the Texas game was more deserving of a drop in place....especially in the early part of the season. It's hard to make your case that "the media is in love with these guys" when you consider that after Ohio State's loss to #2 Texas, they dropped to #9 and after Notre Dame's similar loss to #1 USC, they ended up at #9.

That's very consistent.
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1. And you will notice that when I say "the writers are in love with ND," that would refer to the AP poll, the one in which they did not drop, and the one that is refered to almost exclusively when teams are announced as "#x team".
2. I'm not following your explanation, but oh well. A loss has always warranted a drop in the polls, unless you are ND.
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losses |= a drop.

you drop in the polls if a loss proves that you should be ranked lower than you are. In this case, Notre Dame's loss proved that they belong in the #9 spot in the polls...at least in the eyes of the AP poll.

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