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  • Dick Cheney Supports Gas Tax!

    Tricky Dick strikes again.

    http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html

    Dick Cheney's gas tax plan
    You've heard the one about John Kerry's "support" of a 50 cent a gallon gas tax -- it's the subject of a Bush-Cheney ad even though it was part of a bill Kerry didn't even vote for. Today, the New York Times gives us one more reason to believe Bush-Cheney is being hypocritical on this gas tax charge against Kerry. It turns out that none other than then-Wyoming Congressman Dick Cheney introduced legislation in 1986 to create "a new import tax that would have caused the price of oil, and ultimately the price of gasoline paid by drivers, to soar by billions of dollars per year," the paper says.

    "Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States," Cheney said then, shortly after introducing the legislation.
    The Times reports: "Renewed attention on Mr. Cheney's plan, which Democrats dusted off and talked about on the Senate floor last week, offers another wrinkle in this year's politicized debate about gas prices, which hit a record-high average of $1.76 last week for a gallon of regular. While gas prices may remain a presidential campaign issue if they do not decline, they are still well below the inflation-adjusted high of nearly $3 in March 1981. To deflect charges that the White House has not done enough to bring down prices, the Bush campaign has attacked Senator John Kerry the likely Democratic presidential nominee, as favoring higher gas prices. 'Some people have wacky ideas like taxing gasoline more so people drive less. That's John Kerry,' a recent Bush campaign commercial said. The commercial singled out Mr. Kerry's support a decade ago for a 50-cent gas tax increase, part of a deficit-reduction package that Mr. Kerry never voted for."

    "Yet the cost of Mr. Cheney's plan ultimately would have been passed on to drivers and other consumers through higher prices on gasoline and other refined petroleum products. In addition, he said in a February 1987 statement, he supported the tax partly because it would 'assist us in reducing our budget deficit.'"
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Trigfunctions@Apr 6 2004, 03:31 PM
    Tricky Dick strikes again.

    http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html

    Dick Cheney's gas tax plan
    You've heard the one about John Kerry's "support" of a 50 cent a gallon gas tax -- it's the subject of a Bush-Cheney ad even though it was part of a bill Kerry didn't even vote for. Today, the New York Times gives us one more reason to believe Bush-Cheney is being hypocritical on this gas tax charge against Kerry. It turns out that none other than then-Wyoming Congressman Dick Cheney introduced legislation in 1986 to create "a new import tax that would have caused the price of oil, and ultimately the price of gasoline paid by drivers, to soar by billions of dollars per year," the paper says.

    "Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States," Cheney said then, shortly after introducing the legislation.
    The Times reports: "Renewed attention on Mr. Cheney's plan, which Democrats dusted off and talked about on the Senate floor last week, offers another wrinkle in this year's politicized debate about gas prices, which hit a record-high average of $1.76 last week for a gallon of regular. While gas prices may remain a presidential campaign issue if they do not decline, they are still well below the inflation-adjusted high of nearly $3 in March 1981. To deflect charges that the White House has not done enough to bring down prices, the Bush campaign has attacked Senator John Kerry the likely Democratic presidential nominee, as favoring higher gas prices. 'Some people have wacky ideas like taxing gasoline more so people drive less. That's John Kerry,' a recent Bush campaign commercial said. The commercial singled out Mr. Kerry's support a decade ago for a 50-cent gas tax increase, part of a deficit-reduction package that Mr. Kerry never voted for."

    "Yet the cost of Mr. Cheney's plan ultimately would have been passed on to drivers and other consumers through higher prices on gasoline and other refined petroleum products. In addition, he said in a February 1987 statement, he supported the tax partly because it would 'assist us in reducing our budget deficit.'"
    So you are against protectionist policies?
    Asked what he would do differently in Iraq, Kerry said, "Right now, what I would do differently is, I mean, look, I'm not the president, and I didn't create this mess so I don't want to acknowledge a mistake that I haven't made."

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    • #3
      This is incredibly hypocritical of the Bush administration....

      Anyone who knows politics knows that a single vote on a bill does not necessarily represent a politicians view on a particular topic....but recent ads infer that Kerry is for raising gas taxes.


      It'd be like saying that Bush/Cheney are for higher taxes AND higher gas prices!!!!!!!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by BringBackZezel@Apr 6 2004, 03:37 PM
        This is incredibly hypocritical of the Bush administration....

        Anyone who knows politics knows that a single vote on a bill does not necessarily represent a politicians view on a particular topic....but recent ads infer that Kerry is for raising gas taxes.


        It'd be like saying that Bush/Cheney are for higher taxes AND higher gas prices!!!!!!!
        I'd see your point, if Bush was the one that supported gas tax increases.
        Asked what he would do differently in Iraq, Kerry said, "Right now, what I would do differently is, I mean, look, I'm not the president, and I didn't create this mess so I don't want to acknowledge a mistake that I haven't made."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BurnKU@Apr 6 2004, 03:34 PM
          So you are against protectionist policies?
          No - I'm for 'em. I would have been in favor of Cheney's gas tax.

          So, you are against Bush and Cheney's hypocrisy on the gas tax issue?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by BurnKU+Apr 6 2004, 03:39 PM-->
            QUOTE (BurnKU @ Apr 6 2004, 03:39 PM)

          • #7
            Trig:

            Did you see the latest FactCheck.org article?

            Kerry? Lying? It can't be. Only the Bush campaign "really" lies/distorts the truth when it comes to campaign ads. Right?


            Outsourcing jobs: The PRESIDENT Said That?
            Kerry ad puts words in Bush's mouth that Bush never uttered.

            April 3, 2004
            Modified: April 3, 2004
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            Summary



            A Kerry ad has Bush saying that sending jobs overseas "makes sense." But Bush didn't say that.

            The quote is actually from Bush's Council of Economic Advisers. The Kerry campaign claims Bush signed the report containing those words, but that's wrong, too.

            Some Bush administration officials do indeed defend the practice of contracting for white-collar services overseas as one aspect of free trade, which they say creates jobs in the US. Textbook economics supports that notion. But the Kerry ad goes too far when it makes the President seem to be rooting for the loss of US jobs using words he never used.


            Analysis



            A Kerry ad released April 1 states that "George Bush says sending jobs overseas 'makes sense' for America." That politically clumsy remark was actually written by the President's economists, however. Bush himself never said it. The Kerry campaign went over the line in attributing the words falsely to Bush himself.

            Kerry for President Ad

            "10 Million Jobs"

            Announcer: While jobs are leaving our country in record numbers, George Bush says sending jobs overseas “makes sense” for America. His top economic advisors say “moving American jobs to low cost countries” is a plus for the U.S.

            John Kerry's proposed a different economic plan that encourages companies to keep jobs here. It's part of a “detailed economic agenda” to create 10 million jobs. John Kerry. A new direction for America.

            Kerry: I'm John Kerry and I approved this message.

            In a news release defending the ad, the Kerry campaign claims that the report in which the words appear was "signed by President Bush." But that's also false.

            Actually, what Bush signed was The Economic Report of the President, which occupies only the first few pages of a 412-page volume that also contains the Annual Report of the Council of Economic Advisers , a separate document signed by the three members of the council, not by the President.

            The President's signature appears on page 4, at the end of his economic report. The passage to which the Kerry ad refers appears on page 25, in the midst of the report by the President's economists. In that passage they argue that free trade benefits the nation as a whole even when it includes "outsourcing" of white-collar jobs overseas:

            CEA: Outsourcing of professional services is a prominent example of a new type of trade. The gains from trade that take place over the Internet or telephone lines are no different than the gains from trade in physical goods transported by ship or plane.When a good or service is produced at lower cost in another country, it makes sense to import it rather than to produce it domestically. This allows the United States to devote its resources to more productive purposes.

            That's standard economic theory, of the sort that can be found in any freshman-level economics text. And in fact, several such textbooks have been written by none other than Council of Economic Advisers chairman Gregory Mankiw, an economist on leave from Harvard University. Mankiw's words may be good economics, but they are also bad politics, especially at a time when unemployment remains at 5.7% of the workforce.

            The Kerry ad also quoted the President's "top economic advisers" as saying that moving jobs to low-cost countries is a plus for the U.S. But what the White House and the President's advisers are actually saying is that trade is a plus, which is different.

            The Kerry news release says that part of the ad refers to something Treasury Secretary John Snow said in an interview with the Cincinnati Enquirer on March 30. The ad makes it sound as though Snow and other advisers are rooting for Americans to lose jobs, but of course they didn't put it that way at all. What Snow actually said was that trade makes business more efficient, benefiting the entire economy.

            The Enquirer interviewer said he asked Snow if outsourcing made the economy stronger, and got this response:

            Snow: "It's part of trade. . . It's one aspect of trade, and there can't be any doubt about the fact that trade makes the economy stronger. . . .I was struck by the fact coming in this morning, the number of foreign companies that have operations right here, proudly displaying their logos. America can compete with anybody. What we need to do is not build walls but tear walls down. We don't have a lot of walls here. We need to tear walls down in other places, that stop our products, our services from being in the marketplace.

            The newspaper said Snow praised the recent fast growth of US business productivity and suggested that contracting for services overseas has helped bring that about. "You can outsource a lot of activities and get them done just as well at a lower cost," the Enquirer quoted Snow as saying.

            And that's also the way the President's chief spokesman puts it. Asked March 31 if the White House views "sourcing" as desirable or undesirable, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said free trade helps create jobs in the US.

            McClellan: Our view is that trade and opening markets is very important to creating jobs here at home. The President is focused on creating jobs here at home in America. And one important way to continue to strengthen our economy even more is to continue opening markets and make sure that there is a level playing field for American producers and American farmers and others to compete. And that's what we will continue to do. Free trade is vital to continuing our economic growth.

            Q: Is that an endorsement of outsourcing?

            McClellan: What I'm saying is that free trade -- and those that would support economic isolationism put us at a competitive disadvantage. And that harms our economy; that harms job creation here at home. Our views are very well-known that we need to continue working to open markets and make sure that America is the best place to do business in the world.

            Kerry's ad would have been closer to the mark had it said "The Bush administration says sending jobs overseas 'makes sense' for America." That would merely be taking words out of context and oversimplifying a complex economic argument. But falsely putting words in Bush's mouth is deception.


            Sources



            Economic Report of the President , together with The Annual Report of the Council of Economic Advisers US Government Printing Office, Washington DC February 2004.

            John Kerry for President, "New Ad Highlights Kerry Commitment to Keeping Jobs Here ," News Release 1 April 2004.

            John Byczkowski, “ Treasury's Snow says jobs coming ” The Cincinnati Enquirer 30 March 2004.

            Press Briefing by White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, The White House 31 March 2004.

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            • #8
              Originally posted by Trigfunctions+Apr 6 2004, 03:41 PM-->
              QUOTE (Trigfunctions @ Apr 6 2004, 03:41 PM)

            • #9
              Originally posted by BringBackZezel+Apr 6 2004, 03:41 PM-->
              QUOTE (BringBackZezel @ Apr 6 2004, 03:41 PM)
              Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 03:39 PM

            • #10
              What does this have to do with Bush JR since Cheney proposed the legislation back in 86?
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              • #11
                Originally posted by BurnKU+Apr 6 2004, 03:49 PM-->
                QUOTE (BurnKU @ Apr 6 2004, 03:49 PM)
                Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 03:41 PM
                Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 03:39 PM

              • #12
                Originally posted by ScottStevens@Apr 6 2004, 03:50 PM
                What does this have to do with Bush JR since Cheney proposed the legislation back in 86?
                Bush Jr was Cheney's bitch boy back then.



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                • #13
                  Originally posted by ScottStevens@Apr 6 2004, 03:50 PM
                  What does this have to do with Bush JR since Cheney proposed the legislation back in 86?
                  Because Bush and company are saying Kerry is an out-of-control taxer who "supports" a 50 cent gas tax, even though they are talking about a tax he didn't really officially support ten years ago, and even though Cheney proposed the same type of thing.

                  They're hypocrites.
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                  • #14
                    Originally posted by BringBackZezel+Apr 6 2004, 03:52 PM-->
                    QUOTE (BringBackZezel @ Apr 6 2004, 03:52 PM)
                    Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 03:49 PM
                    Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 03:41 PM
                    Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 03:39 PM

                  • #15
                    Originally posted by BringBackZezel+Apr 6 2004, 03:52 PM-->
                    QUOTE (BringBackZezel @ Apr 6 2004, 03:52 PM)
                    Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 03:49 PM
                    Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 03:41 PM
                    Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 03:39 PM
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