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    Scott McClellan Says Helen Thomas Opposes 'War on Terrorism'

    By E&P Staff

    Published: October 13, 2005 3:50 PM ET

    NEW YORK Questions today from longtime White House reporter Helen Thomas caused White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan to declare that she opposes the war on terrorism. His response caused one of Thomas's colleagues, Terry Moran, to leap to her defense.

    Here is the exchange from the official transcript:

    THOMAS What does the President mean by "total victory" -- that we will never leave Iraq until we have "total victory"? What does that mean?

    McCLELLAN: Free and democratic Iraq in the heart of the Middle East, because a free and democratic Iraq in the heart of the Middle East will be a major blow to the ambitions --

    THOMAS If they ask us to leave, then we'll leave?

    MR. McCLELLAN: I'm trying to respond. A free and democratic Iraq in the heart of the broader Middle East will be a major blow to the ambitions of al Qaeda and their terrorist associates. They want to establish or impose their rule over the broader Middle East -- we saw that in the Zawahiri letter that was released earlier this week by the intelligence community.

    THOMAS They also know we invaded Iraq.

    McCLELLAN: Well, Helen, the President recognizes that we are engaged in a global war on terrorism. And when you're engaged in a war, it's not always pleasant, and it's certainly a last resort. But when you engage in a war, you take the fight to the enemy, you go on the offense. And that's exactly what we are doing. We are fighting them there so that we don't have to fight them here. September 11th taught us --

    THOMAS It has nothing to do with -- Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

    McCLELLAN: Well, you have a very different view of the war on terrorism, and I'm sure you're opposed to the broader war on terrorism. The President recognizes this requires a comprehensive strategy, and that this is a broad war, that it is not a law enforcement matter.

    Terry.

    TERRY MORAN On what basis do you say Helen is opposed to the broader war on terrorism?

    McCLELLAN: Well, she certainly expressed her concerns about Afghanistan and Iraq and going into those two countries. I think I can go back and pull up her comments over the course of the past couple of years.

    MORAN And speak for her, which is odd.

    McCLELLAN: No, I said she may be, because certainly if you look at her comments over the course of the past couple of years, she's expressed her concerns --

    THOMAS I'm opposed to preemptive war, unprovoked preemptive war.

    MR. McCLELLAN: -- she's expressed her concerns.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    In the good old days, McClellan could have avoided this kind of confrontation by simply cutting off Helen and then fielding the following question from that faggot, phoney reporter who was planted into these briefings by the White House:

    Phoney Reporter: Mr. McClellan, to what single stragegy does the President attribute his tremendous success in this war on terror to ... or does he consider it to be more like a combination of brilliant stagegies?

    McClellan: I appeciate, and I'm sure that the President appreciates, the premise of your patriotic question ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... .... I'm sorry, our time is up. Thanks for all your questions.

    What was phoney-reporters name? He brought a lot to the table, didn't he? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]
    Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

    "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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    • #3
      QUOTE(dredbyrd @ Oct 14 2005, 09:53 AM) Quoted post

      REUSE, RECYCLE, REPEAT!
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      • #4
        QUOTE(dredbyrd @ Oct 14 2005, 09:53 AM) Quoted post

        REUSE, RECYCLE, REPEAT!
        [/b][/quote]

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        DON"T CHANGE COURSE IN MID-DREAM. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]
        Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

        "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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        • #5
          So is she opposed to the action in Iraq and Afghanistan or not?
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          • #6
            QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 14 2005, 10:17 AM) Quoted post

            So is she opposed to the action in Iraq and Afghanistan or not?
            [/b][/quote]


            >> THOMAS I'm opposed to preemptive war, unprovoked preemptive war.

            Sounds like many of us here. Not into the Iraq thing.
            Dude. Can. Fly.

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            • #7
              QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 14 2005, 08:19 AM) Quoted post
              QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 14 2005, 10:17 AM) Quoted post

              So is she opposed to the action in Iraq and Afghanistan or not?
              [/b][/quote]


              >> THOMAS I'm opposed to preemptive war, unprovoked preemptive war.

              Sounds like many of us here. Not into the Iraq thing. [/b][/quote]



              Which would invclude the present scenarios by her judgement, no?
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              • #8
                QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 14 2005, 10:25 AM) Quoted post

                QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 14 2005, 08:19 AM) Quoted post
                QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 14 2005, 10:17 AM) Quoted post

                So is she opposed to the action in Iraq and Afghanistan or not?
                [/b][/quote]


                >> THOMAS I'm opposed to preemptive war, unprovoked preemptive war.

                Sounds like many of us here. Not into the Iraq thing. [/b][/quote]



                Which would invclude the present scenarios by her judgement, no?
                [/b][/quote]


                Huh?
                Dude. Can. Fly.

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                • #9
                  QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 14 2005, 08:30 AM) Quoted post
                  QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 14 2005, 10:25 AM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 14 2005, 08:19 AM) Quoted post
                  QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 14 2005, 10:17 AM) Quoted post

                  So is she opposed to the action in Iraq and Afghanistan or not?
                  [/b][/quote]


                  >> THOMAS I'm opposed to preemptive war, unprovoked preemptive war.

                  Sounds like many of us here. Not into the Iraq thing. [/b][/quote]



                  Which would invclude the present scenarios by her judgement, no?
                  [/b][/quote]


                  Huh? [/b][/quote]



                  Did he lie, or we are just irate because he said it?



                  It seems silly, man. It's obvious, by her own admission she opposed action in Iraq and sounds like Afghanistan. Seriously, to me no big deal. Differing opinions abound.

                  So why the outrage on him saying it in context that did not see m vindictive.



                  The answer or response should have been:



                  Yes Scott, I do oppose your bullshit expansion of your so called WOT. That why I ask you these questions, I am representing those that do oppose your ambiguous definition.
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                  • #10
                    lazy, you're incorrectly correlating the war on terrorism and Iraq.

                    They are not one and the same.

                    Furthermore, if you somehow have been asleep for the past 3 years and believe they are, being against the war in Iraq is not the same as being against the war on terrorism.

                    Terrorism has no borders.
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                    • #11
                      QUOTE(BringBackZezel @ Oct 14 2005, 09:28 AM) Quoted post
                      lazy, you're incorrectly correlating the war on terrorism and Iraq.

                      They are not one and the same.

                      Furthermore, if you somehow have been asleep for the past 3 years and believe they are, being against the war in Iraq is not the same as being against the war on terrorism.

                      Terrorism has no borders. [/b][/quote]



                      did you read my post, seriously. I said just that.
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                      • #12
                        QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 14 2005, 11:29 AM) Quoted post

                        QUOTE(BringBackZezel @ Oct 14 2005, 09:28 AM) Quoted post
                        lazy, you're incorrectly correlating the war on terrorism and Iraq.

                        They are not one and the same.

                        Furthermore, if you somehow have been asleep for the past 3 years and believe they are, being against the war in Iraq is not the same as being against the war on terrorism.

                        Terrorism has no borders. [/b][/quote]



                        did you read my post, seriously. I said just that.
                        [/b][/quote]

                        Then why are you defending McClellan's incorrect assertion of "I'm sure you're opposed to the broader war on terrorism. "?

                        Not only is it factually incorrect, it's completely improper and unprofessional for a press secretary to say.

                        He's an idiot and he fucked up. Given the current administration, it's not a surprise, but the thread really begins and ends there.
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                        • #13
                          Another example re: how they handle dissent and challenges - personal attacks.
                          The Dude abides.

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                          • #14
                            QUOTE(BringBackZezel @ Oct 14 2005, 09:32 AM) Quoted post
                            QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 14 2005, 11:29 AM) Quoted post

                            QUOTE(BringBackZezel @ Oct 14 2005, 09:28 AM) Quoted post
                            lazy, you're incorrectly correlating the war on terrorism and Iraq.

                            They are not one and the same.

                            Furthermore, if you somehow have been asleep for the past 3 years and believe they are, being against the war in Iraq is not the same as being against the war on terrorism.

                            Terrorism has no borders. [/b][/quote]



                            did you read my post, seriously. I said just that.
                            [/b][/quote]

                            Then why are you defending McClellan's incorrect assertion of "I'm sure you're opposed to the broader war on terrorism. "?

                            Not only is it factually incorrect, it's completely improper and unprofessional for a press secretary to say.

                            He's an idiot and he fucked up. Given the current administration, it's not a surprise, but the thread really begins and ends there. [/b][/quote]

                            I am not defending anyone, it seems like it was an accurate exchange of differing opinions on the direction of the WOT. It's not something new to include Iraq and Afghanistan in the WOT. That's been done since 2003. Some disagree, why is that a bad thing.

                            It's true, and I would assume Helen and other would be proud to be able to make that distinction, certainly as the general populace comes around to basically believing the same thing.



                            QUOTE
                            McCLELLAN: Well, you have a very different view of the war on terrorism, and I'm sure you're opposed to the broader war on terrorism.[/b][/quote]



                            Yes Scott, I do oppose your bullshit expansion of your so called WOT. That why I ask you these questions, I am representing those that do oppose your ambiguous definition.
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                            • #15
                              We are fighting a lot of wars: Poverty, Drugs, Illiteracy, Racism, Homophobia, Terror, Iraq.

                              You're either with us or agin us.

                              Soctt's got a tough job.

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