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    http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.d...ION01/510090384


    Licensing parents


    The conservative mantra is that government should stay out of people's lives, to the greatest extent possible.

    But then what do political labels mean when George W. Bush can bill himself as a conservative while (1) presiding over a massive and avoidable runup in national debt, (2) pushing the biggest new federal entitlement since Medicare and (3) provoking the broadest-ever federal invasion of state educational prerogatives?

    This is a conservative who, to get out of political trouble after Hurricane Katrina, decided to say that racism is linked to poverty and proposed that the feds throw money at the rebuilding instead of letting the private market take its course.

    Now comes Indiana state Sen. Patricia Miller, an Indianapolis Republican, with a plan to have government bureaucrats run pre-pregnancy checks on potential parents, including making sure they regularly go to church or some other "faith-based" activity, before a doctor can help them have a baby.

    Talk about "Big Brother" meddling in people's lives.

    Oh, but the proposed law would apply primarily to single people and homosexuals, so maybe the Righteous Right will approve of this profound, and seemingly unconstitutional, government intrusion into private decisions.

    Sen. Miller is not some marginal Indianapolis crank. She chairs the legislative Health Finance Commission, which will vote on the proposal Oct. 20.

    Her idea is that prospective parents, if they are single or gay, should be "assessed" on the basis of not only marital status but also education, job, personality, criminal record, fertility history, child care plans and lifestyle, including participation in organized religious activity, before being allowed to receive any reproductive help from medical specialists.

    Indiana Civil Liberties Director Ken Falk rightly asks, "What is the danger that we are legislating against? Are we saying that only married persons should be able to be parents…?"

    To which Sen. Miller replies that she is just being proactive. In other words, she wants to act before Indiana is endangered by a bunch of unchurched, non-government-certified parents.

    Although the draft isn't clear on this point, a news report says the proposal "would appear to affect some married couples," too. When you think about it, it would almost have to if the Hoosier parent police are going to able to make sure single and gay people aren't disguising their impermissible parental desires in sham marriages.

    This proposal ought to make real conservatives shiver. Instead, at least some of them are aquiver over putting the hand of government to work on behalf of their religious beliefs.

    What next, driver's licenses granted only to those who pray regularly, on the theory that God's favor makes them better risks?
    But wait. There is something that can be done afterall. My good friend Angelo is a cop in the Tampa/Clearwater area. Since I kept all of the files from the access logs when I had the power to see them, guess what, I have everyone's IP addresses. Hmm..what can I do w/ those??
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  • #2
    Uhhhh. A good idea for a totalitarian regime, not an option in a "Democracy"?
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    • #3
      The Republican party truly is at odds with itself.

      Half of them want the government out of peoples lives and believe wholly in personal choice and liberties, the other half wants the government to intervene on issues concerning life, religion, marriage, etc.
      “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

      Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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      • #4
        It's tempting. I'll admit that.

        Look around at half the parents you see today and think about it.

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        • #5
          QUOTE(Reggie Cleveland @ Oct 12 2005, 09:42 AM) Quoted post

          It's tempting. I'll admit that.

          Look around at half the parents you see today and think about it.
          [/b][/quote]


          I understand your point, but if the chick is already preggers and the Pubbies don't think she's fit, do they abort the baby?

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          • #6
            They get the baby and then kill the parents.

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            • #7
              No. They allow the baby to be born, and then later on when the baby turns into an adult and commits a heinous crime, they sentence them to death.
              “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

              Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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              • #8
                Terrible, and it'll never fly.

                I do wish, however, that there were some way to pre-screen all parents. I know the logistics of this are impossible, but damn, there are too many shitty ones out there.

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                • #9
                  Gonzo,

                  I alluded to this in another thread. Just not the way this fringe lunatic in Indiana is proposing.

                  At least some kind of standards like doing a background check for abuse, crime, job history, finances, health, etc before we allow people to have kids.

                  If they are already pregnant and dont pass, they have the option to either have the baby and give it up for adoption, or abortion.

                  But too many people would throw a fit over that.
                  “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

                  Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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                  • #10
                    QUOTE(Razzy @ Oct 12 2005, 10:08 AM) Quoted post

                    Gonzo,

                    I alluded to this in another thread. Just not the way this fringe lunatic in Indiana is proposing.

                    At least some kind of standards like doing a background check for abuse, crime, job history, finances, health, etc before we allow people to have kids.

                    If they are already pregnant and dont pass, they have the option to either have the baby and give it up for adoption, or abortion.

                    But too many people would throw a fit over that.
                    [/b][/quote]


                    I cannot believe you just typed that.

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                    • #11
                      Can't go for any kind of parental screening....but I'd sure as hell like to.

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                      • #12
                        QUOTE(Razzy @ Oct 12 2005, 10:08 AM) Quoted post

                        Gonzo,

                        I alluded to this in another thread. Just not the way this fringe lunatic in Indiana is proposing.

                        At least some kind of standards like doing a background check for abuse, crime, job history, finances, health, etc before we allow people to have kids.

                        If they are already pregnant and dont pass, they have the option to either have the baby and give it up for adoption, or abortion.

                        But too many people would throw a fit over that.
                        [/b][/quote]

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                        Yes, and while I wouldn't blame them for throwing the fit because of civil liberties and all, plus any system that controls the way that would have to is just screaming to be abused. The rich would always be able to have kids, while the poor may or may not.

                        The logistics of keeping it completely impartial and uncorrupt are impossible. It's truly a pipe dream.

                        What we should do is try to get tougher on bad parents, which again, will raise a shit fit from some.

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                        • #13
                          QUOTE(Razzy @ Oct 12 2005, 07:59 AM) Quoted post

                          No. They allow the baby to be born, and then later on when the baby turns into an adult and commits a heinous crime, they sentence them to death.
                          [/b][/quote]


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                          • #14
                            Not sure how many of you on here from MO that have kids and have gone through a divorce, but in order to have your divorce finalized and/or retain custody of your children in MO, you have to attend a parenting class. That was probably the single most humiliating and ridiculous thing I have ever done in my life. When it's all over, you get this little certificate that says you passed and completed the class. And the best part is - you have to pay for the class yourself!
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                            • #15
                              I can't believe people are so misguided. WTF difference does going to church make? I suppose all of those child molesters in the clergy didn't go to church. And Fred Phelps (leader of the "God Hates Fags" group) should be allowed to bring children into this world, but an atheist lesbian shouldn't? That's just insane.

                              How can you get through high school without understanding our Constitution and the principle upon which our country is founded?

                              Instead of the Komen Foundataion, I'm just going to increase amount of money I send the ACLU.

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