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    Atlantis: Reviewing Plato's Descriptions

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    Around 600 B.C., a famous Greek political leader by the name Solon traveled to Egypt and met with high priests of Isis and Osiris. Solon was one of the “seven wise men” of ancient Greece and is still remembered as one of the founding fathers of democracy; his statue is displayed in the Capitol Hill building in Washington D.C. The Egyptian priests told Solon that there was once an advanced civilization peopled by a superior race that lived on an island named Atlantis about 12,000 years ago. He was shown the ancient records of the Egyptians and was told that the story is based on fact, faithfully passed on for thousands of years. Solon was so fascinated by the tale that he translated it to his native tongue and brought it back to Greece. This precious document was kept by his illustrious family for over two hundred years and was later presented to Plato, who wrote about it around 400 B.C.

    It was Plato’s Critias that popularized the story of Atlantis for the western world and it has continued to puzzle and fascinate every civilization since his time. He described a fertile and beautiful island surrounded by mountains, with an advanced city that had a multitude of buildings, bridges, temples, paved roads and irrigation canals, all at a time when the world was still supposedly in a barbaric state. From the Acropolis hill, the gods of Atlantis gave humanity the gift of civilization. Plato repeatedly stated that the story was based on fact and that he believed in it.

    Since that time, every thinker and philosopher has conjectured about the reality of the story. It has inspired endless speculation and has caused explorers and adventurers to search for the mythical isle in every conceivable corner of the world. However, the potential for the actual discovery of Atlantis has become a reality only during our generation in the 21st century. For the first time in history, marine science has enabled us to view the topography of all of our seas and ocean floors. The ability to verify Plato’s detailed account of Atlantis Island has only become a reality in the last 10-15 years.

    This scientific progress and technological knowledge enabled us to finally locate, examine and verify Plato’s account. Using bathymetric data and 3D modeling techniques, the island of Atlantis has been found and it is a perfect match with the descriptions that have been passed down for thousands of years. We are now fully capable of proving that we have found Atlantis and resurrect it from its watery tomb.

    Our intention is to introduce this astounding discovery to the world in a series of steps. The fact that what was once the mountaintop of Atlantis remains as an island today affords us the opportunity to shoot a preemptive documentary on location. This initial documentary will introduce the story of Plato’s Atlantis in a simple but methodical fashion, in order to familiarize the audience with the true historical story, as opposed to the mythological garble most people know via cartoons etc. We will then begin to present out case for the discovery by showing the brand new bathymetric maps that reveal the topography of the sea basin around the island, and match them perfectly with Plato’s detailed descriptions.

    Aside from the actual physical matches with Plato’s descriptions, there are many correlating facts, which will enable us to provide further support for the theory. The fertility of the island, its rich mineral resources, its susceptibility to volcanic, seismic and flood activity will be explored. The most up-to-date scientific information will be reviewed in order to show that the island was once the mountaintop of a large landmass that was submerged by a cataclysmic flood. Our island also has a very rich history and its own unique mythology, which will in itself corroborate the theory that Atlantis was once nearby. There will be interviews with the island’s top scientists and mythologists.

    Once the initial documentary is released around the world, the second stage of the project will go on to include an actual expedition aboard a state-of-the-art vessel designed specifically for scientific investigation of seafloors. It will include the collection of higher resolution data for our primary target area, as well as deep-sea research by submersibles. The city of Atlantis is submerged under thousands of feet of water, a situation that has fortunately insured the preservation of its colossal ruins. The ultimate aim is to locate and film its many stone temples, palaces, roads, bridges and artifacts. We are already working with marine scientists, ship captains and underwater explorers that have expressed interest in the project, offered their vessels, experience, and support.


    Although many researchers and explorers have already claimed to find Atlantis it should be mentioned that virtually none of them could substantiate their theory. Every continent and island in the world has at some point or another been associated with Atlantis, which has unfortunately served to muddy the water and confuse the masses at large. The most often encountered theories involve the Azores in the Atlantic or the islands of Crete and Thera in the Mediterranean Sea. However, over the course of the last few centuries researchers have pointed to many other locations, including but not limited to: Britain, Spain, Scandinavia, the Sahara Desert, Bolivia, Brazil, Tunisia, Malta, Bimini, the Bermuda Triangle, Cuba, the Canary islands, Indonesia and even Antarctica!

    A basic review of the most common mistakes will help to clear the field. The most important thing to realize is that most of these claims are not based on Plato’s description of Atlantis Island, which is quite detailed, but rather on superficial finds such as the mere discovery of some underwater structure. Another problem that is often encountered is that most of these supposed discoveries of Atlantis involve lands that are not even under water! Some base their theories solely on the fact that an ancient ruin has been found by the coast, and proceed to substantiate their claims by pulling ideas from thin air. Others place Atlantis too far from the center of the ancient world, in places such as Peru, Bolivia or Antarctica, thus completely distorting Plato’s account.

    In reality, anyone who wants to make a legitimate claim to the discovery of Atlantis must provide certain essential matches with Plato’s story. It is foolish to assert to have found Atlantis in Antarctica, for instance, when Plato described the empire to have embraced the Mediterranean region, particularly Egypt and Greece. It is even more bizarre to associate Atlantis with a region that is not under water, considering the fact that the flood is the central theme of the story. In short, the point is that common sense and logic do not seem to be a part of these so-called discoveries, and anyone who has done their homework can easily see that they are all skating on thin ice.

    For this reason, we are including a list of the actual physical descriptions of Atlantis by Plato. In order to cut to the quick, every single feature has been methodically compiled in order to show the decisive test that any researcher must pass before staking a claim for discovery. As evident in the table below, Plato’s story leaves little to the imagination.


    Atlantis was opposite the Pillars of Hercules. - [match]

    It was in the Atlantic. - [match]

    It was prone to volcanic activity. - [match]

    It was larger than Asian and Libya combined. - [match]

    The plain of Atlantis was submerged under water. - [match]

    It was flooded about 10,000 B.C. - [match]

    The mountaintop of Atlantis survived the flood and remains as an island. - [match]

    Atlantis was connected to mainland by a land bridge (“isthmus”). - [match]

    The island had extremely fertile soil. - [match]

    It was a long peninsula. - [match]

    It ran from the mainland in to the sea. - [match]

    The basin around Atlantis was very deep. - [match]

    The island was prone to repeated flooding. - [match]

    Thick woods covered its mountains. - [match]

    Traces of its forests remain. - [match]

    The mountains still “sustain bees.” - [match]

    It had cultivated trees. - [match]

    Rainfall was collected in the higher regions and was absorbed in large quantities. - [match]

    The collected rainwater flowed downward into valleys and appeared in a multitude of rivers and springs. - [match]

    There are surviving springs and shrines. - [match]

    Atlantis had a well-balanced climate. - [match]

    The island enjoyed “warm wet winters and hot dry summers.” - [match]

    The Acropolis hill was for the most part level—a low mountain. - [match]

    The plain of Atlantis ran midway along the greatest length of the island. - [match]

    The plain was long and rectangular, or oblong. - [match]

    The plain was near the sea. - [match]

    The plain faced south. - [match]

    To the north, mountains protected the plain from cold winds. - [match]

    The base of the Acropolis hill was fifty stades (~6 miles) from the southern sea. - [match]

    The Acropolis hill was “near the middle” of the rectangular plain of Atlantis. - [match]

    Atlantis had mines with solid materials as well as various metals. - [match]

    There were elephants on the island. - [match]

    Atlantis had gold. - [match]

    Atlantis had copper. - [match]

    Atlantis had silver. - [match]

    Atlantis had marshes, rivers, swamps, mountains and a plain. - [match]

    The “remnant” of Atlantis still bears “roots, herbs, bushes, and gums.” - [match]

    There were crops, cereals, pulse, fruits and oils in “wonderful quantity.” - [match]

    The canal that ran from the outermost ring toward the sea was fifty stades long. - [match]

    The diameter of the Acropolis hill was roughly 3 miles (27 stades). - [match]

    The outer stone wall that surround the city of Atlantis was ~14 miles in diameter. - [match]

    The island was made of volcanic rocks (lava). - [match]

    The “region as a whole” (the whole island) was high above the level of the sea. - [match]

    The island of Atlantis rose sharply from the sea. - [match]

    The plain of Atlantis was “uniformly flat.” - [match]

    The plain was “enclosed by mountains which came right down to the sea.” - [match]

    The island stretched in an east/west direction. - [match]

    The length of the plain was parallel with the length of the island. - [match]

    A river went out of the plain toward the mainland. - [match]

    There were smaller islands nearby, forming stepping-stones to other continents. - [match]

    The Atlantis empire embraced three continents: Europe, Asia and Africa. - [match]

    River water was collected in clay earth. - [match]

    Black, white, and red marble was quarried on Atlantis. - [match]

    The island was laden with precious stones. - [match]

    The mountainous island was known as “Mt. Olympus.” - [match]

    By providing this compilation and showing the nearly perfect match with Plato’s description of Atlantis, the aim is to show that our claim to the discovery is not based on hollow speculation. The only points that do not match are that Plato placed Atlantis in the Atlantic, and said that it was larger than Libya and Asia combined. However, even these points do not contradict our find because no one knows what the ancients meant by the word “Atlantic,” or just how big they thought Asia and Libya were. It is therefore not presumptuous to state that our island is technically a perfect match with Plato’s description. The images and maps speak for themselves.[/b][/quote]

    The Startling Case For Cypruss

    QUOTE
    What if one of humankind’s greatest mysteries could be solved by a single geographical and archeological discovery—the discovery of the actual location of the legendary Atlantis?

    What if for the first time in history, the possibility of the existence of the famed island could come alive in 3D maps and models showing a stretch of sunken land one mile below the waters of the Eastern Mediterranean sea? And what if this location and related data correlated with a near-perfect match with Plato’s detailed descriptions?

    "Discovery of Atlantis: The Startling Case for the Island of Cyprus" is a thoroughly original theory and provides a body of evidence depicting the location of Atlantis—as well as fascinating links to the biblical Garden of Eden, world mythology, and Western history. This book will be the first in a series of books and documentaries that we believe will cause a revolution in our understanding of the origins of human civilization. For if Plato’s account of Atlantis is to be believed, author Robert Sarmast has discovered astounding evidence of the sunken isle of Atlantis (or some might call it Eden), a lost land mass that many believe to be the prehistoric cultural source of civilization.

    Here again is the keynote of this book: At a location on the ocean floor in the Levantine region of the Eastern Mediterranean, near the island of Cyprus, Sarmast has discovered a site that, simply stated, matches Plato’s famed account of Atlantis. Evidence presented in Discovery of Atlantis almost perfectly matches the nearly 50 clues in Plato's descriptions.

    We invite you to examine the book description, animation files, 3d models and media reviews on the main project website.[/b][/quote]

    There case is decent but still doesn't match some of Plato's descriptions. I tend to believe that Atlantis was outside the mediteranean. Possibly on the Canry, Azores or Cape Verde Islands. They have found underwater ruins near the bahamas also and the Bolivians have an ancient tale of Atlantis located in their country and the accounts and archeological evidence of African visitation to back it up.

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    QUOTE
    Around 600 B.C., a famous Greek political leader by the name Solon traveled to Egypt and met with high priests of Isis and Osiris. Solon was one of the “seven wise men” of ancient Greece and is still remembered as one of the founding fathers of democracy; his statue is displayed in the Capitol Hill building in Washington D.C. The Egyptian priests told Solon that there was once an advanced civilization peopled by a superior race that lived on an island named Atlantis about 12,000 years ago. He was shown the ancient records of the Egyptians and was told that the story is based on fact, faithfully passed on for thousands of years. Solon was so fascinated by the tale that he translated it to his native tongue and brought it back to Greece. This precious document was kept by his illustrious family for over two hundred years and was later presented to Plato, who wrote about it around 400 B.C.

    It was Plato’s Critias that popularized the story of Atlantis for the western world and it has continued to puzzle and fascinate every civilization since his time. He described a fertile and beautiful island surrounded by mountains, with an advanced city that had a multitude of buildings, bridges, temples, paved roads and irrigation canals, all at a time when the world was still supposedly in a barbaric state. From the Acropolis hill, the gods of Atlantis gave humanity the gift of civilization. Plato repeatedly stated that the story was based on fact and that he believed in it.[/b][/quote]

    Really? Where, exactly, did Plato repeatedly state that? The Atlantis story is contained in one of his Dialogues, featuring his fictionalized version of Socrates. All of the Dialogues are filled with purposeful ambiguity, and just because a character in them tells a story doesn't believe Plato thought it was true. He frequently uses parables and allegories to develop his ideas.

    And even if he did think it was true, so what? Brilliant as he was, he was wrong about many, many things.

    QUOTE
    Since that time, every thinker and philosopher has conjectured about the reality of the story.[/b][/quote]

    No, every philosopher has not. In fact, I can't think of one.

    It's a fun idea, but using Plato as your foundation doesn't get your anywhere.
    "At a time like this, scorching irony, not convincing argument, is needed."
    – Frederick Douglass, doing an amazing job since 1852

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    • #3
      Do either of you have pictures?
      "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."
      --Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Why weren't the great philosophers...Messrs. Martz and LaRussa...included here...

        I'm throwing the bullshit flag...
        " Look, forget the myths the media's created about the White House--the truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand."

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        • #5
          QUOTE(kennyboyerfan @ Oct 6 2005, 09:17 PM) Quoted post

          Do either of you have pictures?
          [/b][/quote]


          "At a time like this, scorching irony, not convincing argument, is needed."
          – Frederick Douglass, doing an amazing job since 1852

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          • #6
            Nonsense.

            But that's OK because sometimes it's fun to explore some of these topics (even though Torch is rarely in the follow-up).

            Citing sources from a non-historical era that cite sources that are myths, and with only one off-hand mention of Crete, is nonsense.

            The Crete/Minoan dominance of Mediterranean civilization from 3000-1500 BC, and it's eclipse with the Thera eruption around 1450 BC is documented, and logically and scientifically grounded.

            At least there aren't Zionist implications with this topic - but it is still arrant nonsense.

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