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    When I first heard about Mr. Bennett's comments, I wondered why anyone was surprised.[/b][/quote]

    Impossible, Ridiculous, Repugnant
    By BOB HERBERT

    A lot of people are upset over comments made on the radio by the former education secretary and guardian of all things virtuous, Bill Bennett.

    A Republican who served in the Reagan cabinet, Mr. Bennett told his listeners: "I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could - if that were your sole purpose - you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down."

    After making the point that exterminating blacks would be a most effective crime-fighting tool, he quickly added, "That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down."

    When I first heard about Mr. Bennett's comments, I wondered why anyone was surprised. I've come to expect racial effrontery from big shots in the Republican Party. The G.O.P. has happily replaced the Democratic Party as a safe haven for bigotry, racially divisive tactics and strategies and outright anti-black policies. That someone who's been a stalwart of that outfit might muse publicly about the potential benefits of exterminating blacks is not surprising to me at all.

    Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

    "You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

    "And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'Nigger, nigger.' "

    Atwater, who would manage George H. W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr. Lamis quoted Atwater in the book "Southern Politics in the 1990's."

    The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks.

    The payoff has been huge. Just as the Democratic Party would have been crippled in the old days without the support of the segregationist South, today's Republicans would have only a fraction of their current political power without the near-solid support of voters who are hostile to blacks.When Democrats revolted against racism, the G.O.P. rallied to its banner.

    Ronald Reagan, the G.O.P.'s biggest hero, opposed both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act of the mid-1960's. And he began his general election campaign in 1980 with a powerfully symbolic appearance in Philadelphia, Miss., where three young civil rights workers were murdered in the summer of 1964. He drove the crowd wild when he declared: "I believe in states' rights."

    Bill Bennett's musings about the extermination of blacks in America (it would be "impossible, ridiculous ... morally reprehensible") is all of a piece with a Republican Party philosophy that is endlessly insulting to black people and overwhelmingly hostile to their interests.

    But that white racist vote, once so important to the Democrats and now so important to the G.O.P., has been steadily shrinking. The U.S. is less prejudiced than it was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago, which is why George W. Bush had to try so hard to disenfranchise black voters in Florida in 2000; and why Jeb Bush had to call out the state police to try to intimidate black voters in Orlando, Fla., in 2004; and why Republicans in Georgia have come up with the equivalent of a poll tax (requiring people without a driver's license to pay $20 for a voter identification card), which will hurt poor, black and elderly voters.

    Bill Bennett's twisted fantasies are a malignant outgrowth of our polarized past. Our job is to keep them from spreading into the future.

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    Seems that Mr. Bennett might have been speaking for many Republican voters when he started his comment with the words: "I do know that it's true" ....
    Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

    "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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    Party of LINcoln!

    Moon

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    • #3
      QUOTE(Moon Man @ Oct 6 2005, 08:27 AM) Quoted post

      Party of LINcoln!

      Moon
      [/b][/quote]

      What's "LIN"?

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      • #4
        "He voted for Eisenhow - wer cuz Lincoln won the war." - John Prine
        But wait. There is something that can be done afterall. My good friend Angelo is a cop in the Tampa/Clearwater area. Since I kept all of the files from the access logs when I had the power to see them, guess what, I have everyone's IP addresses. Hmm..what can I do w/ those??
        ...

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        • #5
          QUOTE(Iowa_Card @ Oct 6 2005, 08:29 AM) Quoted post

          QUOTE(Moon Man @ Oct 6 2005, 08:27 AM) Quoted post

          Party of LINcoln!

          Moon
          [/b][/quote]

          What's "LIN"?
          [/b][/quote]
          L + IN.

          Moon

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          • #6
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            Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

            "You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

            "And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than 'Nigger, nigger.' "

            Atwater, who would manage George H. W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr. Lamis quoted Atwater in the book "Southern Politics in the 1990's."
            [/b][/quote]


            His deathbed scene is a good lesson.
            But wait. There is something that can be done afterall. My good friend Angelo is a cop in the Tampa/Clearwater area. Since I kept all of the files from the access logs when I had the power to see them, guess what, I have everyone's IP addresses. Hmm..what can I do w/ those??
            ...

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            • #7


              Moon

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              • #8
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                2 Members: Fred Garvin, freddy_knuckles[/b][/quote]

                Freddy Knuckles? That's a good one.
                But wait. There is something that can be done afterall. My good friend Angelo is a cop in the Tampa/Clearwater area. Since I kept all of the files from the access logs when I had the power to see them, guess what, I have everyone's IP addresses. Hmm..what can I do w/ those??
                ...

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                • #9
                  So, cutting taxes is bad for blacks?

                  This is a stupid article.
                  "Need some wood?" -- George W. Bush, October 8, 2004

                  "Historians will judge if this war is just, not your punk ass." -- Dave Glover, December 8, 2004

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                  • #10
                    God, just shut up.

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                    • #11
                      QUOTE(phantom @ Oct 6 2005, 09:19 AM) Quoted post

                      So, cutting taxes is bad for blacks?

                      This is a stupid article.
                      [/b][/quote]


                      Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:"

                      "You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites."

                      Stupid article for quoting Lee Atwater (Atwater, who would manage George H. W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman).

                      Your next point is ...?
                      Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

                      "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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                      • #12
                        QUOTE(Reggie Cleveland @ Oct 6 2005, 09:28 AM) Quoted post

                        God, just shut up.
                        [/b][/quote]

                        Hear no evil ....
                        Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

                        "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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                        • #13
                          QUOTE(nick2 @ Oct 6 2005, 10:43 AM) Quoted post

                          QUOTE(phantom @ Oct 6 2005, 09:19 AM) Quoted post

                          So, cutting taxes is bad for blacks?

                          This is a stupid article.
                          [/b][/quote]


                          Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:"

                          "You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites."

                          Stupid article for quoting Lee Atwater (Atwater, who would manage George H. W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman).

                          Your next point is ...?
                          [/b][/quote]

                          I didn't mean to say the article was stupid because of the Atwater quote. The article is stupid throughout.

                          BTW, poor people can get a waiver on the $20 for ID in Georgia I hear. It's preposterous to suggest that requiring an ID to vote is unreasonable.
                          "Need some wood?" -- George W. Bush, October 8, 2004

                          "Historians will judge if this war is just, not your punk ass." -- Dave Glover, December 8, 2004

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                          • #14
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                            BTW, poor people can get a waiver on the $20 for ID in Georgia I hear. It's preposterous to suggest that requiring an ID to vote is unreasonable[/b][/quote]

                            There must have been a better way than charging $20.00 and then offering-- under the right conditions- a waiver.

                            I remember how the Republicans were against the Clinton proposal in the late 90s to issue voter registration cards while people did their renewal stuff at the automobile licence bureau. The bill was clearly aimed at making it easier for poor and older black folks to get registered. A political strategy, both parties, no?
                            Norman Chad, syndicated columnist: “Sports radio, reflecting our sinking culture, spends entire days advising managers and coaches, berating managers and coaches, firing managers and coaches and searching the countryside for better middle relievers. If they just redirected their energy toward, say, crosswalk-signal maintenance, America would be 2 percent more livable.”

                            "The best argument against democracy," someone (Churchill?) said, "is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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                            • #15
                              QUOTE(nick2 @ Oct 6 2005, 09:14 AM) Quoted post

                              QUOTE
                              BTW, poor people can get a waiver on the $20 for ID in Georgia I hear. It's preposterous to suggest that requiring an ID to vote is unreasonable[/b][/quote]

                              There must have been a better way than charging $20.00 and then offering-- under the right conditions- a waiver.

                              I remember how the Republicans were against the Clinton proposal in the late 90s to issue voter registration cards while people did their renewal stuff at the automobile licence bureau. The bill was clearly aimed at making it easier for poor and older black folks to get registered. A political strategy, both parties, no?
                              [/b][/quote]


                              lol, why would they be renewing their automobile if they don't have a Drivers License.

                              You just make this shit up, don't you.
                              Un-Official Sponsor of Randy Choate and Kevin Siegrist

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