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    THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

    The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

    “We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.

    The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right, in particular in the US.

    Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin’s theory of evolution in schools, believing “intelligent design” to be an equally plausible theory of how the world began.

    But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this country’s Catholic bishops insist cannot be “historical”. At most, they say, they may contain “historical traces”.

    The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th century, when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a near-universal belief in the divine inspiration of the Bible by advocating the Copernican view of the solar system. Only a century ago, Pope Pius X condemned Modernist Catholic scholars who adapted historical-critical methods of analysing ancient literature to the Bible.

    In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that it is “God’s word expressed in human language” and that proper acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human dimensions.

    They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways “appropriate to changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries”.

    The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say, but continue: “We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular matters.”

    They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its “intransigent intolerance” and to warn of “significant dangers” involved in a fundamentalist approach.

    “Such an approach is dangerous, for example, when people of one nation or group see in the Bible a mandate for their own superiority, and even consider themselves permitted by the Bible to use violence against others.”

    Of the notorious anti-Jewish curse in Matthew 27:25, “His blood be on us and on our children”, a passage used to justify centuries of anti-Semitism, the bishops say these and other words must never be used again as a pretext to treat Jewish people with contempt. Describing this passage as an example of dramatic exaggeration, the bishops say they have had “tragic consequences” in encouraging hatred and persecution. “The attitudes and language of first-century quarrels between Jews and Jewish Christians should never again be emulated in relations between Jews and Christians.”

    As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as historical writing.

    Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast of Christ the Lamb.

    The bishops say: “Such symbolic language must be respected for what it is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how many will be saved and about when the end will come.”

    In their foreword to the teaching document, the two most senior Catholics of the land, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, Archbishop of Westminster, and Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St Andrew’s and Edinburgh, explain its context.

    They say people today are searching for what is worthwhile, what has real value, what can be trusted and what is really true.

    The new teaching has been issued as part of the 40th anniversary celebrations of Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council document explaining the place of Scripture in revelation. In the past 40 years, Catholics have learnt more than ever before to cherish the Bible. “We have rediscovered the Bible as a precious treasure, both ancient and ever new.”

    A Christian charity is sending a film about the Christmas story to every primary school in Britain after hearing of a young boy who asked his teacher why Mary and Joseph had named their baby after a swear word. The Breakout Trust raised £200,000 to make the 30-minute animated film, It’s a Boy. Steve Legg, head of the charity, said: “There are over 12 million children in the UK and only 756,000 of them go to church regularly.

    That leaves a staggering number who are probably not receiving basic Christian teaching.”

    BELIEVE IT OR NOT

    UNTRUE

    Genesis ii, 21-22

    So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man

    Genesis iii, 16

    God said to the woman [after she was beguiled by the serpent]: “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

    Matthew xxvii, 25

    The words of the crowd: “His blood be on us and on our children.”

    Revelation xix,20

    And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with brimstone.”

    TRUE

    Exodus iii, 14

    God reveals himself to Moses as: “I am who I am.”

    Leviticus xxvi,12

    “I will be your God, and you shall be my people.”

    Exodus xx,1-17

    The Ten Commandments

    Matthew v,7

    The Sermon on the Mount

    Mark viii,29

    Peter declares Jesus to be the Christ

    Luke i

    The Virgin Birth

    John xx,28

    Proof of bodily resurrection[/b][/quote]

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  • #2
    What about the "if you wear a rubber you're going to Hell" part? Is that still accurate?
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    • #3
      QUOTE(kah @ Oct 5 2005, 06:55 PM) Quoted post

      What about the "if you wear a rubber you're going to Hell" part? Is that still accurate?
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      I'm going to report this post for being anti-catholic...

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      • #4
        QUOTE(*007* @ Oct 5 2005, 04:58 PM) Quoted post

        QUOTE(kah @ Oct 5 2005, 06:55 PM) Quoted post

        What about the "if you wear a rubber you're going to Hell" part? Is that still accurate?
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        I'm going to report this post for being anti-catholic...
        [/b][/quote]


        Well, then you as moderator can not do shit about it, like you don't do shit about anything else.
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        • #5
          QUOTE(kah @ Oct 5 2005, 06:59 PM) Quoted post

          QUOTE(*007* @ Oct 5 2005, 04:58 PM) Quoted post

          QUOTE(kah @ Oct 5 2005, 06:55 PM) Quoted post

          What about the "if you wear a rubber you're going to Hell" part? Is that still accurate?
          [/b][/quote]
          I'm going to report this post for being anti-catholic...
          [/b][/quote]


          Well, then you as moderator can not do shit about it, like you don't do shit about anything else.
          [/b][/quote]
          It's been reported....you're going down to China Town...

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          • #6
            It's all about the journalistic snobbery.

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            • #7
              QUOTE(*007* @ Oct 5 2005, 04:59 PM) Quoted post

              It's been reported....you're going down to China Town...
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              And by the way, if you don't like people reporting anti-Semitic posts from Torch, you can disable the "report" function, can you not?
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              • #8
                QUOTE(kah @ Oct 5 2005, 07:01 PM) Quoted post

                QUOTE(*007* @ Oct 5 2005, 04:59 PM) Quoted post

                It's been reported....you're going down to China Town...
                [/b][/quote]


                And by the way, if you don't like people reporting anti-Semitic posts from Torch, you can disable the "report" function, can you not?
                [/b][/quote]
                I'm reporting this for being anti-mod....

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                • #9
                  Not exactly an accurate lead in the story. It should have been more like this, " A relatively insignificant portion of the Roman Catholic Hierarchy today announced that certain parts of the Bible may not exactly represent historical facts with the accuracy of a camcorder."

                  If Pope Benedict were to say this that is an entirely different story than if a small number of Bishops get together and say someting really dumb. In the US this would be akin to the Lt. Govenor of Delaware declaring that perhaps one of the colors of the American flag is not really a bright red but is in fact brick red.
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                  • #11
                    I don't necessarily think that it's bad that the Catholic Church is adapting to the changing society. There's nothing in that articel saying that the basic tenets of the Bible have been brought into question, just that there may be some things that are not scientifically accurate.
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                    • #12
                      QUOTE(pgrote @ Oct 5 2005, 07:23 PM) Quoted post

                      Population distribution of Catholics by country
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                      pgrote,

                      The link did not work.

                      But I believe that the Catholics of England, Scotland and Wales don't add up to Catholics in Ireland and Canada combined. Given that the official church of those countries is Anglican makes their populations fairly small.
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                      • #13
                        Went to Catholic hs, taught in two now. Not one school i have been to has taught that the bible is to be taken as literal truth, but instead spiritual truth. We were not taught that the world was created in six calender days, but that the writers said it that way because that was how they saw the world

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                        • #14
                          QUOTE(*007* @ Oct 5 2005, 06:58 PM) Quoted post

                          QUOTE(kah @ Oct 5 2005, 06:55 PM) Quoted post

                          What about the "if you wear a rubber you're going to Hell" part? Is that still accurate?
                          [/b][/quote]
                          I'm going to report this post for being anti-catholic...
                          [/b][/quote]

                          I'm reporting your post for being anti-alcoholic.

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                          • #15
                            QUOTE(kah @ Oct 5 2005, 06:55 PM) Quoted post

                            What about the "if you wear a rubber you're going to Hell" part? Is that still accurate?
                            [/b][/quote]

                            They revoked that rule for priests and children a long time ago.
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