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    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush says the possibility of an avian flu pandemic is among the reasons he wants Congress to give him the power to use the nation's military in law enforcement roles in the United States.

    "I'm concerned about what an avian flu outbreak could mean for the United States and the world," he told reporters during a Rose Garden news conference on Tuesday.

    Such an deadly event would raise difficult questions, such as how a quarantine might be enforced, he said.

    "One option is the use of a military that's able to plan and move," he said. "So that's why I put it on the table. I think it's an important debate for Congress to have."

    People who catch the worst strain of avian flu can die of viral pneumonia and acute respiratory distress, according to mayoclinic.com.

    The disease has killed tens of millions of birds in Asia.

    Last week, the U.N.'s health agency, the World Health Organization, sought to ease fears that the disease could kill as many as 150 million people worldwide.

    "We're not going to know how lethal the next pandemic is going to be until the pandemic begins," WHO influenza spokesman Dick Thompson said, according to The Associated Press.

    The consequences of an outbreak in the United States need to be addressed before catastrophe strikes, Bush said.

    The president said that he sees things differently than he did as governor of Texas. "I didn't want the president telling me how to be the commander in chief of the Texas Guard," he said. "But Congress needs to take a look at circumstances that may need to vest the capacity of the president to move beyond that debate. And one such catastrophe or one such challenge could be an avian flu outbreak."

    Should avian flu mutate and gain the ability to spread easily from human to human, world leaders and scientists would need rapid access to accurate information to be able to stem its spread, he said.

    "We need to know, on a real-time basis, the facts, so the world's scientific community could analyze the facts," he said.

    Bush said he has spoken with Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, about work toward a vaccine, but that means of prevention remains a distant hope.

    "I take this issue very seriously," Bush said. "I'm not predicting an outbreak, but just suggesting to you we ought to be thinking about it, and we are."

    Absent an effective vaccine, public health officials likely would try to stem the disease's spread by isolating people who had been exposed to it. Such a move could require the military, he said.

    "I think the president ought to have all options on the table," Bush said, then corrected himself, "all assets on the table -- to be able to deal with something this significant."

    The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 bans the military from participating in police-type activity on U.S. soil.

    Bush began discussing the possibility of changing the law last month, in the aftermath of the government's sluggish response to civil unrest following Hurricane Katrina.

    "I want there to be a robust discussion about the best way for the federal government, in certain extreme circumstances, to be able to rally assets for the good of the people," he told reporters September 26.

    Gene Healy, a senior editor at the conservative Cato Institute, said Bush would risk undermining "a fundamental principle of American law" by tinkering with the act, which does not hinder the military's ability to respond to a crisis.

    "What it does is set a high bar for the use of federal troops in a policing role," he wrote in a commentary on the group's Web site. "That reflects America's traditional distrust of using standing armies to enforce order at home, a distrust that's well-justified."

    Healy said soldiers are not trained as police officers, and putting them in a civilian law enforcement role "can result in serious collateral damage to American life and liberty."

    Last month, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush "wants to make sure that we learn the lessons from Hurricane Katrina," including the use of the military in "a severe, catastrophic-type event."

    "The Department of Defense would assume the responsibility for the situation, and come in with an overwhelming amount of resources and assets, to help stabilize the situation," McClellan said.

    The World Health Organization has reported 116 cases of avian flu in humans, all of them in Asia. More than half of them have been fatal, it said.

    On Thursday, the Senate added $4 billion to a Pentagon spending bill to head off the threat of an outbreak of avian flu among humans. The bulk of the money -- $3 billion -- would be used to stockpile Tamiflu, an antiviral drug that has proved effective against the H5N1 virus -- the strain blamed for six deaths in Indonesia last week.

    U.S. health agencies have about 2 million doses of Tamiflu, enough to treat about 1 percent of the population. The money added by the Senate would build that stockpile to cover about 50 percent of the population.

    Un-Official Sponsor of Randy Choate and Kevin Siegrist

  • #2
    So, let me get this straight.
    We send our local guys halfway around the world to fight a war, then we use our Federal guys to fight disease at home.

    Sheesh.
    But wait. There is something that can be done afterall. My good friend Angelo is a cop in the Tampa/Clearwater area. Since I kept all of the files from the access logs when I had the power to see them, guess what, I have everyone's IP addresses. Hmm..what can I do w/ those??
    ...

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    • #3
      QUOTE
      "One option is the use of a military that's able to plan and move," [/b][/quote]

      Uhm, if Iraq has shown us anything it's that the only thing our military can plan is war. Policing isn't something the military is good at planning or executing.

      Wouldn't two thirds of the states have to ratify this change since it isn't a law but a constitutional limit on presidential powers?

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      • #4
        Forgetting the police state issue, I mean, should we be worried that this is a topic of conversation in the first place?
        Dude. Can. Fly.

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        • #5
          QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 05:08 AM) Quoted post

          Forgetting the police state issue, I mean, should we be worried that this is a topic of conversation in the first place?
          [/b][/quote]

          yes
          Un-Official Sponsor of Randy Choate and Kevin Siegrist

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          • #6
            QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 07:08 AM) Quoted post

            Forgetting the police state issue, I mean, should we be worried that this is a topic of conversation in the first place?
            [/b][/quote]

            Why? It's not like we can impeach him for being stupid. Besides, he has a "mandate". [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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            • #7
              QUOTE(Iowa_Card @ Oct 5 2005, 07:10 AM) Quoted post

              QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 07:08 AM) Quoted post

              Forgetting the police state issue, I mean, should we be worried that this is a topic of conversation in the first place?
              [/b][/quote]

              Why? It's not like we can impeach him for being stupid. Besides, he has a "mandate". [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
              [/b][/quote]


              No, not that Bush is stupid, that Bush feels it necessary to address a flu pandemic.

              I mean, how bad is it?
              Dude. Can. Fly.

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              • #8
                QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 05:11 AM) Quoted post

                QUOTE(Iowa_Card @ Oct 5 2005, 07:10 AM) Quoted post

                QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 07:08 AM) Quoted post

                Forgetting the police state issue, I mean, should we be worried that this is a topic of conversation in the first place?
                [/b][/quote]

                Why? It's not like we can impeach him for being stupid. Besides, he has a "mandate". [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
                [/b][/quote]


                No, not that Bush is stupid, that Bush feels it necessary to address a flu pandemic.

                I mean, how bad is it?
                [/b][/quote]



                We're not going to know how lethal the next pandemic is going to be until the pandemic begins," WHO influenza spokesman Dick Thompson said, according to The Associated Press.
                Un-Official Sponsor of Randy Choate and Kevin Siegrist

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                • #9
                  QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 5 2005, 07:13 AM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 05:11 AM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(Iowa_Card @ Oct 5 2005, 07:10 AM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 07:08 AM) Quoted post

                  Forgetting the police state issue, I mean, should we be worried that this is a topic of conversation in the first place?
                  [/b][/quote]

                  Why? It's not like we can impeach him for being stupid. Besides, he has a "mandate". [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
                  [/b][/quote]


                  No, not that Bush is stupid, that Bush feels it necessary to address a flu pandemic.

                  I mean, how bad is it?
                  [/b][/quote]



                  We're not going to know how lethal the next pandemic is going to be until the pandemic begins," WHO influenza spokesman Dick Thompson said, according to The Associated Press.

                  [/b][/quote]

                  Pretty comforting, eh, laze? I better go buy some duct tape and bottled water.
                  Dude. Can. Fly.

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                  • #10
                    QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 07:11 AM) Quoted post

                    QUOTE(Iowa_Card @ Oct 5 2005, 07:10 AM) Quoted post

                    QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 07:08 AM) Quoted post

                    Forgetting the police state issue, I mean, should we be worried that this is a topic of conversation in the first place?
                    [/b][/quote]

                    Why? It's not like we can impeach him for being stupid. Besides, he has a "mandate". [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
                    [/b][/quote]


                    No, not that Bush is stupid, that Bush feels it necessary to address a flu pandemic.

                    I mean, how bad is it?
                    [/b][/quote]

                    Bush (or his advisors) are probably swinging well over to the other side of the fence and discussing every major issue that could cause the same type of chaos as Katrina did. It's their MO. They take an overly reactive stance when something of a large magnitude happens.

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                    • #11
                      To me it sounds like every other year, funny that W feels the need to circumvent the seperation of powers again.

                      "I think the president ought to have all options on the table," Bush said
                      Un-Official Sponsor of Randy Choate and Kevin Siegrist

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                      • #12
                        QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 5 2005, 07:17 AM) Quoted post

                        To me it sounds like every other year, funny that W feels the need to circumvent the seperation of powers again.

                        "I think the president ought to have all options on the table," Bush said
                        [/b][/quote]


                        "Can't we just pre-emptively invade the flu pandemic or something, there, Karl?"
                        Dude. Can. Fly.

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                        • #13
                          QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 07:14 AM) Quoted post

                          QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 5 2005, 07:13 AM) Quoted post

                          QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 05:11 AM) Quoted post

                          QUOTE(Iowa_Card @ Oct 5 2005, 07:10 AM) Quoted post

                          QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 07:08 AM) Quoted post

                          Forgetting the police state issue, I mean, should we be worried that this is a topic of conversation in the first place?
                          [/b][/quote]

                          Why? It's not like we can impeach him for being stupid. Besides, he has a "mandate". [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]
                          [/b][/quote]


                          No, not that Bush is stupid, that Bush feels it necessary to address a flu pandemic.

                          I mean, how bad is it?
                          [/b][/quote]



                          We're not going to know how lethal the next pandemic is going to be until the pandemic begins," WHO influenza spokesman Dick Thompson said, according to The Associated Press.

                          [/b][/quote]

                          Pretty comforting, eh, laze? I better go buy some duct tape and bottled water.
                          [/b][/quote]

                          The duct tape is pretty useless unless you have plastic to put up on the windows and aluminum foil to put over your head. I'm shocked that you haven't learned much from 9/11.

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                          • #14
                            QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 5 2005, 07:17 AM) Quoted post

                            To me it sounds like every other year, funny that W feels the need to circumvent the seperation of powers again.

                            "I think the president ought to have all options on the table," Bush said
                            [/b][/quote]

                            I just don't understand why George can't talk to the person he answers to and ask to make the flu pandemic miss us.

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                            • #15
                              QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Oct 5 2005, 07:18 AM) Quoted post

                              QUOTE(lazydaze @ Oct 5 2005, 07:17 AM) Quoted post

                              To me it sounds like every other year, funny that W feels the need to circumvent the seperation of powers again.

                              "I think the president ought to have all options on the table," Bush said
                              [/b][/quote]


                              "Can't we just pre-emptively invade the flu pandemic or something, there, Karl?"
                              [/b][/quote]

                              "We need to secure our borders against these evil disease-carrying birds!"
                              “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

                              Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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