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    WASHINGTON (AP) — Peace mom Cindy Sheehan didn't change her opposition to the war in Iraq after meeting Tuesday with one of its supporters, Sen. John McCain, a Vietnam veteran whom she called "a warmonger."

    Sheehan likened McCain to Bush after their meeting. Later, she left a rally early; "she's exhausted," a spokeswoman said.

    Sheehan thanked McCain for meeting with her, but she came away disappointed.

    "He tried to tell us what George Bush would have said," Sheehan, who protested at the president's Texas home over the summer, told reporters. "I don't believe he believes what he was telling me."

    McCain, R-Ariz., also seemed disappointed in the meeting, which he said had been misrepresented as including some of his constituents. Only one person in her small delegation has ties to the state, and that person no longer lives there.

    The two exchanged views about the war, and McCain described the conversation as "a rehash" of opinions already well known. He said he might not have met with Sheehan had he known none of his constituents was in the group.

    Although McCain has criticized the handling of the Iraq war, he has supported President Bush's call to stop terrorism abroad before it reaches the U.S. Sheehan, whose son, Casey, died in Iraq last year, has energized the anti-war movement with her call for troops to be brought home.

    "He is a warmonger, and I'm not," Sheehan said after meeting with McCain. "I believe this war is not keeping America safer."

    "She's entitled to her opinion," McCain said. "We just have fundamental disagreements."

    Sheehan's conference with McCain was one of several scheduled this week as part of her campaign to persuade members of Congress to explain the reasons for the war. She spoke before a massive anti-war rally Saturday on the National Mall and was arrested Monday demonstrating in front of the White House.

    Sheehan and McCain had met once before, shortly after the funeral of her son. Sheehan said Tuesday that McCain told her then that her son's death was "like his buddies in Vietnam" and that he feared their deaths were "for nothing." McCain, however, denied he made such a statement.

    Later, Sheehan cut short her appearance at the University of Maryland, leaving a rally after about 10 minutes.

    Karen Pomer, a spokeswoman for Sheehan, said, "She's exhausted and she's not feeling well, but she intends to meet her obligations."


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    Sheehan confronts McCain
    Gold Star mom tells Hardball about the meeting, her anti-war movement
    MSNBC
    Updated: 11:16 a.m. ET Sept. 28, 2005

    Cindy Sheehan became an outspoken critic of the Iraq war after her son
    Casey was killed in action. This summer, the Gold Star mom held a 26-day vigil outside President Bush's Crawford ranch.

    Sheehan on Tuesday met with Republican Sen. John McCain. She has organized a campaign entitled "Meet with the Moms," pursuing individual meetings with members of Congress to discuss the war.

    Later Tuesday, she sat down with MSNBC's Chris Matthews to play 'Hardball.'

    To read an excerpt of their conversation, continue to the text below. To watch the video, click on the "Launch" button to the right.

    CHRIS MATTHEWS, HARDBALL HOST: You don't think that war is justified either?

    CINDY SHEEHAN, MOTHER OF KILLED U.S. SOLDIER: I don't think the Afghan people did anything to America. You know, they weren't responsible for flying the planes into the buildings. It was al Qaeda and we should have gone after al Qaeda and not the people of Afghanistan.

    MATTHEWS: Where should we have pursued them?

    SHEEHAN: In Afghanistan, but not against the people of Afghanistan. A lot of innocent Afghani people were killed.

    MATTHEWS: How would we have dealt with the problem that the government of Afghanistan was in bed — it was the Taliban government and they were supporting al Qaeda? How could we have gotten to al Qaeda if the government was standing in our way?

    SHEEHAN: Well, the government was, but not the people.

    And that's what happened in Iraq. Innocent Iraqis are being killed every day. I think that the 9/11 was a crime, not an act of war. I'm not a policy person, but I just don't want any
    innocent people to be killed.

    MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about your meeting with John McCain. When was it this afternoon?

    SHEEHAN: It was at 4:00 this afternoon, just right before I came over here.

    MATTHEWS: How long was it?

    SHEEHAN: It was about 20 minutes.

    MATTHEWS: Alone with him?

    SHEEHAN: I was with, yes, him and his staff. And my sister and a constituent went with us.

    MATTHEWS: Did you allow cameras in the room? Did he?

    SHEEHAN: He — no.

    MATTHEWS: OK, let me ask you, what did he say to you?

    SHEEHAN: Well, I have a campaign going. It's called Meet with the Moms. We have a few questions we're asking each senator and each Congress person.

    He was ready with the letter. He was ready with the answers. What's the noble cause? And he said just, you know, for freedom and democracy. And then, how many more of our nation's children are you willing to risk, their lives are you willing to sacrifice, because it is a war based on lies?

    MATTHEWS: Good question. What did he say?

    SHEEHAN: He said that's a hard question, because he hopes and prays every day that our children won't be killed. But they are being killed every day. We have had 40 killed in September so far.

    Then another question is, what are you doing to bring our troops home from the nightmare of Iraq? He says that we're trying to train troops, which is really hard when they get blown to
    pieces just standing in line for the applications, you know?

    MATTHEWS: Yes.

    SHEEHAN: I believe that the only people who support this war right now are -- or this occupation -- are the ones who are ill-informed or ones who have some kind of vested interest in keeping the occupation going.

    MATTHEWS: What do you think is John McCain's vested interest?

    SHEEHAN: I don't even know. I don't even know.

    MATTHEWS: Well, you said only people supporting the war have vested interests.

    SHEEHAN: Well, a vested interest in maybe if he is going to run for president, he thinks he has to look strong and looks like he's capable.

    MATTHEWS: Are you a Democrat or Republican? I have never gotten straight on.

    SHEEHAN: I have been a registered Democrat.

    MATTHEWS: Why do you think Hillary Clinton doesn't oppose the war with any kind of passion?

    SHEEHAN: You know, I have gone after Democrats as strongly as Republicans.

    MATTHEWS: I will go down the list, OK?

    You say the only people that support the war have a vested interest in supporting the war.

    SHEEHAN: Right.

    MATTHEWS: Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, John Edwards, Joe Biden, Evan Bayh, everybody who might conceivably run for the Democratic nomination in 2008 is backing this war.

    Why are they doing it?

    SHEEHAN: Because I believe that they feel like, if they don't, the nation will perceive them as weak.

    But I believe that 62 percent of Americans know this war is wrong and they want our troops to start coming home. It went over the halfway mark of people wanting them to come home now. And I believe that that is the mood of America. I believe a strong leader will lead the way America wants them to. A strong, good Democratic candidate has to stand up
    and say, it's a war based on lies. We should never have gone there. We shouldn't be there. And let's lead our troops out.

    MATTHEWS: Do you think Bill Clinton would, given the same circumstances of 9/11 and the situation with Iraq, refusing to really open its door to full inspections, do you believe that he would have gone to war in Iraq, Bill Clinton?

    SHEEHAN: I believe Iraq was allowing the inspectors in.

    MATTHEWS: Do you think Bill Clinton would have gone to war with Iraq?

    SHEEHAN: I can answer that. I don't know.

    MATTHEWS: Do you think Hillary Clinton would have done it?

    SHEEHAN: From what she is saying, maybe. You know, saying that we need more troops...

    MATTHEWS: So, if you ran for office, how could you run on a Democratic ticket, a Democratic party label, when the leaders have failed to support your point of view?

    SHEEHAN: I think that that's why I'm here, Chris.

    MATTHEWS: Well, are you going to run for office on the Democratic line anywhere?

    SHEEHAN: No, no, I'm not going to, because I think I can do more good, like you said, holding their feet to the fire.

    MATTHEWS: Do you believe that you have succeeded in any way in making the war less supported by the American people?

    SHEEHAN: Yes. I believe our Camp Casey movement really called attention to it. And I think that people were there.

    MATTHEWS: OK, last question.

    Do you believe that John McCain is any less hawkish now because he met with you today?

    SHEEHAN: No.

    Watch 'Hardball' each night at 5 and 7 p.m. ET on MSNBC.
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    • #3
      The biggest problem is that she is an idiot.

      She vomits liberal propaganda, not understanding what she is saying.


      I love her thoughts on the Afghans.
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      • #4
        QUOTE(El Birdo 1 @ Sep 28 2005, 11:07 AM) Quoted post

        The biggest problem is that she is an idiot.

        She vomits liberal propaganda, not understanding what she is saying.


        [/b][/quote]

        Oh chill the fuck out.

        Who's to say how you would act if you lost a child?
        Are you on the list?

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        • #5
          Isn't she into her third 15 minutes now?

          Time for the media to stop reporting every idiot thing she says every half-hour.

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          • #6
            QUOTE(SLUBLUE @ Sep 28 2005, 11:33 AM) Quoted post

            QUOTE(El Birdo 1 @ Sep 28 2005, 11:07 AM) Quoted post

            The biggest problem is that she is an idiot.

            She vomits liberal propaganda, not understanding what she is saying.


            [/b][/quote]

            Oh chill the fuck out.

            Who's to say how you would act if you lost a child?
            [/b][/quote]

            You do have a point. I'm sure after the death of my kid I'd start sounding like madyaks.
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            • #7
              QUOTE(SLUBLUE @ Sep 28 2005, 11:33 AM) Quoted post

              Who's to say how you would act if you lost a child?
              [/b][/quote]

              True, but it doesn't give her a lifelong pass to say stupid things w/o criticism.
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              • #8
                QUOTE(SLUBLUE @ Sep 28 2005, 11:33 AM) Quoted post

                QUOTE(El Birdo 1 @ Sep 28 2005, 11:07 AM) Quoted post

                The biggest problem is that she is an idiot.

                She vomits liberal propaganda, not understanding what she is saying.


                [/b][/quote]

                Oh chill the fuck out.

                Who's to say how you would act if you lost a child?
                [/b][/quote]


                Yes. I feel very bad that she lost a child, but she is not exactly the person you want on national television arguing points against the war.

                Personally, I dont think she is very intelligent. Seen a dozen interviews with her, saw her on Bill Maher, etc. Dont really think she gets the big picture.

                Just my opinion.
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                • #9
                  QUOTE(El Birdo 1 @ Sep 28 2005, 11:38 AM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(SLUBLUE @ Sep 28 2005, 11:33 AM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(El Birdo 1 @ Sep 28 2005, 11:07 AM) Quoted post

                  The biggest problem is that she is an idiot.

                  She vomits liberal propaganda, not understanding what she is saying.


                  [/b][/quote]

                  Oh chill the fuck out.

                  Who's to say how you would act if you lost a child?
                  [/b][/quote]


                  Yes. I feel very bad that she lost a child, but she is not exactly the person you want on national television arguing points against the war.

                  Personally, I dont think she is very intelligent. Seen a dozen interviews with her, saw her on Bill Maher, etc. Dont really think she gets the big picture.

                  Just my opinion.
                  [/b][/quote]
                  At first, when she was waiting outside Bush's ranch in Texas saying that she wanted to ask him why her son had to die, I felt so very sorry for her. As a mother myself, I cannot imagine losing a child that way, knowing that he died a violent death and not being there to comfort him. However, while she may still be grieving her son's death, I don't think we can excuse her behavior as part of the grieving process anymore.
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                  • #10
                    I saw her on Chris Matthews last night. She actually said something along the lines of that she believed the Iraqis were co-operating with the weapons inspectors. I feel for her in regards to her son, but that woman has no idea what she is talking about.

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                    • #11
                      QUOTE(Jim Carr @ Sep 28 2005, 11:59 AM) Quoted post

                      I saw her on Chris Matthews last night. She actually said something along the lines of that she believed the Iraqis were co-operating with the weapons inspectors. I feel for her in regards to her son, but that woman has no idea what she is talking about.
                      [/b][/quote]
                      I posted the transcript...

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                      • #12
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                        I posted the transcript...[/b][/quote]

                        Sorry 007. Would help if I read next time.

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                        • #13
                          QUOTE(Jim Carr @ Sep 28 2005, 12:01 PM) Quoted post

                          QUOTE
                          I posted the transcript...[/b][/quote]

                          Sorry 007. Would help if I read next time.
                          [/b][/quote]
                          I was more or less saying there was more than just that statement [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]

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                          • #14
                            QUOTE(Reggie Cleveland @ Sep 28 2005, 11:35 AM) Quoted post

                            Isn't she into her third 15 minutes now?

                            Time for the media to stop reporting every idiot thing she says every half-hour.
                            [/b][/quote]

                            Luckily for you, the media doesn't spend their entire show discussing her. So you're free to change the channel to the Oxygen Network when they start talking about CS.

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                            • #15
                              Are you in another one of your "blue" periods?

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