Burnett indicates he's done with the Marlins

[Fishbone]

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/8891342

If you're here to see about Carlos Delgado, take a number. The whole team save Beckett and Willis is going to get broken up.

[JK]

Even if they DON'T win the World Series? Damn.

Again?

[Fishbone]

QUOTE(_STLfan_in_DFW @ Sep 25 2005, 06:36 PM) Quoted post

Even if they DON'T win the World Series? Damn.

Again?
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Well I'd imagine McKeon is going to get fired or resign. Ownership has flat out said they are going to cut payroll, and Delgado's probably their most moveable asset that they would be willing to move.

It's incredible really, easily the most talent in the NL East, if not all of the NL, and they can barely keep their heads above .500. Granted, Pierre and Lowell were both a waste of a lineup spot, but there was still more than enough talent surrounding them where 90+ wins should have been well within reach.

It's been a historical trait under McKeon's teams that they always respond well to him at first, but then kind of fade off after he's been there a few years.

[kah]

QUOTE(Fishbone @ Sep 25 2005, 04:39 PM) Quoted post

It's incredible really, easily the most talent in the NL East, if not all of the NL, and they can barely keep their heads above .500. Granted, Pierre and Lowell were both a waste of a lineup spot, but there was still more than enough talent surrounding them where 90+ wins should have been well within reach.

It's been a historical trait under McKeon's teams that they always respond well to him at first, but then kind of fade off after he's been there a few years.
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You don't think it's possible that they're overrated? That's why I was ragging on all the "Fear the Marlins" people a little while ago--maybe they just aren't that good. Lots of holes in that lineup, middle relief that isn't that good. Great closer, great rotation, great Carlos Delgado, rest of the team kind of spotty.

[kmeyer]

QUOTE(kah @ Sep 25 2005, 06:43 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(Fishbone @ Sep 25 2005, 04:39 PM) Quoted post

It's incredible really, easily the most talent in the NL East, if not all of the NL, and they can barely keep their heads above .500. Granted, Pierre and Lowell were both a waste of a lineup spot, but there was still more than enough talent surrounding them where 90+ wins should have been well within reach.

It's been a historical trait under McKeon's teams that they always respond well to him at first, but then kind of fade off after he's been there a few years.
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You don't think it's possible that they're overrated? That's why I was ragging on all the "Fear the Marlins" people a little while ago--maybe they just aren't that good. Lots of holes in that lineup, middle relief that isn't that good. Great closer, great rotation, great Carlos Delgado, rest of the team kind of spotty.
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I agree that they are overrated...it's all about the chemisty.....even if they did win, the team would be gone the next season......Florida and Tampa Bay are jokes IMO.....sell them to cities that actually want baseball.............Burnett would look good in the Milwaukee rotation......they have the money and minor league talent to acquire.....

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[kah]

Dude, there is not a snowball's chance in hell Burnett is going to Milwaukee. He is going to sign a big fat contract with a team with a big fat payroll.

[bombay]

That Cabrera guy is pretty good.

[Fishbone]

QUOTE(kah @ Sep 25 2005, 06:43 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(Fishbone @ Sep 25 2005, 04:39 PM) Quoted post

It's incredible really, easily the most talent in the NL East, if not all of the NL, and they can barely keep their heads above .500. Granted, Pierre and Lowell were both a waste of a lineup spot, but there was still more than enough talent surrounding them where 90+ wins should have been well within reach.

It's been a historical trait under McKeon's teams that they always respond well to him at first, but then kind of fade off after he's been there a few years.
[/b][/quote]

You don't think it's possible that they're overrated? That's why I was ragging on all the "Fear the Marlins" people a little while ago--maybe they just aren't that good. Lots of holes in that lineup, middle relief that isn't that good. Great closer, great rotation, great Carlos Delgado, rest of the team kind of spotty.
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Truthfully, no. It just seemed like they mailed in the season when they got to a few games behind the Astros and weren't playing with a sense of urgency.

If they had wised up and replaced Lowell in the lineup earlier and moved Pierre to the bottom of the order, I think they would be a few games better and perhaps challenging the Braves for the division lead. Their pitching staff still seems to be more potential than actual results, but their top three matched up with ours and was only worse than the Astros. Granted, we had a better and more consistent backend of the rotation, which in my opinion is underrated as a key driver to our success the last two years, but they underachieved more than any team in baseball this year.

[kah]

QUOTE(bombay @ Sep 25 2005, 04:51 PM) Quoted post

That Cabrera guy is pretty good.
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Whoops. Forgot him.

He'd look good on the Brewers, though. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]

[Fishbone]

QUOTE(kmeyer @ Sep 25 2005, 06:46 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(kah @ Sep 25 2005, 06:43 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(Fishbone @ Sep 25 2005, 04:39 PM) Quoted post

It's incredible really, easily the most talent in the NL East, if not all of the NL, and they can barely keep their heads above .500. Granted, Pierre and Lowell were both a waste of a lineup spot, but there was still more than enough talent surrounding them where 90+ wins should have been well within reach.

It's been a historical trait under McKeon's teams that they always respond well to him at first, but then kind of fade off after he's been there a few years.
[/b][/quote]

You don't think it's possible that they're overrated? That's why I was ragging on all the "Fear the Marlins" people a little while ago--maybe they just aren't that good. Lots of holes in that lineup, middle relief that isn't that good. Great closer, great rotation, great Carlos Delgado, rest of the team kind of spotty.
[/b][/quote]

I agree that they are overrated...it's all about the chemisty.....even if they did win, the team would be gone the next season......Florida and Tampa Bay are jokes IMO.....sell them to cities that actually want baseball.............Burnett would look good in the Milwaukee rotation......they have the money and minor league talent to acquire.....
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Burnett's going to be an unrestricted free agent, so minor league talent doesn't mean squat in this situation. I seem to recall too that Burnett hinted that he wanted to play in the Northeast when his name was coming up in trade speculation back in July.

[kmeyer]

QUOTE(Fishbone @ Sep 25 2005, 06:52 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(kah @ Sep 25 2005, 06:43 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(Fishbone @ Sep 25 2005, 04:39 PM) Quoted post

It's incredible really, easily the most talent in the NL East, if not all of the NL, and they can barely keep their heads above .500. Granted, Pierre and Lowell were both a waste of a lineup spot, but there was still more than enough talent surrounding them where 90+ wins should have been well within reach.

It's been a historical trait under McKeon's teams that they always respond well to him at first, but then kind of fade off after he's been there a few years.
[/b][/quote]

You don't think it's possible that they're overrated? That's why I was ragging on all the "Fear the Marlins" people a little while ago--maybe they just aren't that good. Lots of holes in that lineup, middle relief that isn't that good. Great closer, great rotation, great Carlos Delgado, rest of the team kind of spotty.
[/b][/quote]
Truthfully, no. It just seemed like they mailed in the season when they got to a few games behind the Astros and weren't playing with a sense of urgency.

If they had wised up and replaced Lowell in the lineup earlier and moved Pierre to the bottom of the order, I think they would be a few games better and perhaps challenging the Braves for the division lead. Their pitching staff still seems to be more potential than actual results, but their top three matched up with ours and was only worse than the Astros. Granted, we had a better and more consistent backend of the rotation, which in my opinion is underrated as a key driver to our success the last two years, but they underachieved more than any team in baseball this year.[/b][/quote]

More than the Mets or the Cubs???....I forgot that those are yearly busts....
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[kah]

It is not possible for the Cubs to "underachieve".

[JWB]

The Mets don't underachieve.

They just suck.

[kmeyer]

QUOTE(JWB @ Sep 25 2005, 06:55 PM) Quoted post

The Mets don't underachieve.

They just suck.
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Beltran definitely didn't perform to what he was paid............

[JWB]

QUOTE(kmeyer @ Sep 25 2005, 06:58 PM) Quoted post

QUOTE(JWB @ Sep 25 2005, 06:55 PM) Quoted post

The Mets don't underachieve.

They just suck.
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Beltran definitely didn't perform to what he was paid............
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The Beltran the Mets paid for was the one who had the hottest 2 weeks of his career last October.

Beltran is a good player, but not $115 million good.

Also, I have an eternal hatred for the New York National Baseball Club, so I'll take a shot at them any chance I get [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]

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You'll never be forgotten.