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    Reds get an 'L' for effort
    Winning not on franchise's agenda

    By Paul Daugherty
    Enquirer staff writer

    Of course the Cincinnati Reds will bring back Jerry Narron to manage in 2006. It's the safe, fair, nice, average thing to do. It's guaranteed to assure them the same sort of stirring season they're enjoying now.

    That's assuming Narron wants the job. He probably would be working on a one-year leash because of the ownership mess. You've heard the term day-to-day, as applied to sort-of injured players? The 2006 Reds will be in similar limbo until the new owners decide who their new People will be.

    General manager Dan O'Brien gets the third and final year of his deal next year for that reason. We already can see where '06 is going. It'll be written off as a transitional year, allowing new ownership to observe, judge and pick whom it wants in 2007. What's the '06 marketing slogan? "The 2006 Reds. Bear With Us."

    Narron should manage this club for every reason but one. Narron is accountable, egoless and baseball-wise. His direction has saved the Reds from total embarrassment. He has done everything management hoped he'd do. The Reds will ask him back because going after anyone better would require a leap of boldness this organization is incapable of.

    From chief operating officer John Allen to O'Brien to former manager Dave Miley, the Reds have done an outstanding job picking nice men who are happy to be here. Loyalty counts most, way ahead of creativity, audacity and big thinking. The Reds as a whole are thrilled to be average. Watching them since 1999, how could anyone argue that?

    St. Louis is a similar-sized place. The metro area is bigger than here, but St. Louis doesn't have a wealth of small cities around it, the way Cincinnati does.

    The fans are better there, but the affection for the game is the same in both towns.

    The difference is, the Cardinals are built to win titles. The Reds are built to go 76-86. When St. Louis needs a manager, it hires Tony La Russa. When the Cards need a slugger, they sign Mark McGwire, then Jim Edmonds. When they need a starting pitcher, they get Mark Mulder.


    Look at Cincinnati's other competition. Houston needs pitching, it gets Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte. The Cubs want a manager, they find Dusty Baker. They bring back Greg Maddux, they sign Moises Alou. Only when you dip to Pittsburgh's level can the Reds hold their heads up. Who wants to be compared to Pittsburgh?

    Lou Piniella is available to manage. So is Jim Leyland. And Bob Brenly. If the Yankees don't make the playoffs, Joe Torre could be walking. I don't know if Jerry Narron is the guy to coax 85 or 90 wins from this team. I don't know if Casey Stengel could do that with this bunch. Here's all I know:

    In the last 25 years, when the Reds have won, they've done it with big-time managers. Piniella, Davey Johnson, Jack McKeon. Each has a ring as a skipper. When the Reds have lost, they've managed it with Ray Knight, Bob Boone and Dave Miley. Coincidence?

    It's very likely that Piniella, Leyland, Brenly and Torre wouldn't come here, regardless. And if Narron is hung on the one-year noose, he might decide to decline the offer.

    That's not the point.

    This is:

    The Reds will not try.

    They won't seek out Sweet Lou. Leyland's strong personality will scare them off. Torre's wife is from Cincinnati but they won't dial him up, either, if George Steinbrenner lets him go, even though The Boss still owes Joe $13 million for the next two years.

    It's tiresome and discouraging. The Reds never swing for the fences. They never aim to be anything greater than ordinary. Just like the city. The local Can't Do insecurity grips them like a vise. Jerry Narron will be asked to return, the Reds will fly just below the .500 radar and this time next year, we'll be having the same conversation.

    Until the mentality changes and the urgency grows into something better, we'll be having the same conversation indefinitely.

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    Four words: player-manager Eric Milton.
    Official sponsor of the St. Louis Cardinals

    "This is a heavyweight bout indeed."--John Rooney, Oct. 27, 2011

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    • #3
      It's all about the winning. I don't think Cardinals fans are head and shoulders better the Reds fans.

      Check out the attendance figures of the two teams when they're winning. (Big Red machine of the 70's vs. Cards of the 70's).

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...N/attend.shtml

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...L/attend.shtml
      Make America Great For Once.

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      • #4
        [quote name='pgrote' date='Sep 25 2005, 08:25 AM' post='811924']
        Torre's wife is from Cincinnati but they won't dial him up, either, if George Steinbrenner lets him go, even though The Boss still owes Joe $13 million for the next two years.



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        I thought Joe Torre's wife was from St. Louis?
        RIP Stan the Man
        The StL Blues will NEVER win the Stanley Cup. I repeat, NEVER!
        I miss TLR!

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        • #5
          QUOTE(jhuegy @ Sep 25 2005, 10:54 AM) Quoted post

          I thought Joe Torre's wife was from St. Louis?
          [/b][/quote]
          This confirms she's from Cincy.

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          • #6
            We didn't exactly sign McGwire and Edmonds...subtle difference.

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            • #7
              QUOTE(The Kev @ Sep 25 2005, 08:37 AM) Quoted post

              It's all about the winning. I don't think Cardinals fans are head and shoulders better the Reds fans.

              Check out the attendance figures of the two teams when they're winning. (Big Red machine of the 70's vs. Cards of the 70's).

              http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...N/attend.shtml

              http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...L/attend.shtml
              [/b][/quote]

              Blasphemy!

              And shame on you for using data to support your position!!!
              [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif[/img]

              [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
              Go Cards ...12 in 13.


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              • #8
                QUOTE(pgrote @ Sep 25 2005, 11:10 AM) Quoted post

                QUOTE(jhuegy @ Sep 25 2005, 10:54 AM) Quoted post

                I thought Joe Torre's wife was from St. Louis?
                [/b][/quote]
                This confirms she's from Cincy.
                [/b][/quote]


                What if that writer made a mistake too?[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img] I just thought she was a STL gal. I could've sworn he met her here. I think her name is Ali or something like that.
                RIP Stan the Man
                The StL Blues will NEVER win the Stanley Cup. I repeat, NEVER!
                I miss TLR!

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                • #9
                  QUOTE(jhuegy @ Sep 25 2005, 01:17 PM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(pgrote @ Sep 25 2005, 11:10 AM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(jhuegy @ Sep 25 2005, 10:54 AM) Quoted post

                  I thought Joe Torre's wife was from St. Louis?
                  [/b][/quote]
                  This confirms she's from Cincy.
                  [/b][/quote]


                  What if that writer made a mistake too?[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img] I just thought she was a STL gal. I could've sworn he met her here. I think her name is Ali or something like that.
                  [/b][/quote]
                  Joe Torre's married to Nebby?

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                  • #10
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                    They never aim to be anything greater than ordinary. Just like the city. The local Can't Do insecurity grips them like a vise.[/b][/quote]

                    Sounds like St. Louis.
                    RIP Chris Jones 1971-2009
                    You'll never be forgotten.

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