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    Hopefully this question is OK to ask since Republicans are true Americans.

    Katrina's Cost May Test GOP Harmony
    Some Want Bush To Give Details on How U.S. Will Pay

    By Shailagh Murray and Jim VandeHei
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Wednesday, September 21, 2005; Page A01

    Congressional Republicans from across the ideological spectrum yesterday rejected the White House's open-wallet approach to rebuilding the Gulf Coast, a sign that the lockstep GOP discipline that George W. Bush has enjoyed for most of his presidency is eroding on Capitol Hill.

    Trying to allay mounting concerns, White House budget director Joshua B. Bolten met with Republican senators for an hour after their regular Tuesday lunch. Senators emerged to say they were annoyed by the lack of concrete ideas for paying the Hurricane Katrina bill.

    "Very entertaining," Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said sarcastically as he left the session. "I haven't heard any specifics from the administration."

    "At least give us some idea" of how to cover the cost, said Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.), who is facing reelection in 2006. "We owe that to the American taxpayer."


    The pushback on Katrina aid, which the White House is also confronting among House Republicans, represents the loudest and most widespread dissent Bush has faced from his own party since it took full control of Congress in 2002. As polls show the president's approval numbers falling, there is growing concern among lawmakers that GOP margins in Congress could shrink next year, and even rank-and-file Republicans are complaining that Bush is shirking the difficult budget decisions that must accompany the rebuilding bonanza.

    Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Fla.) said he and other fiscal conservatives are feeling "genuine concern [which] could easily turn into frustration and anger."

    Congressional Republicans are not arguing with Bush's pledge that the federal government will lead the Louisiana and Mississippi recovery. But they are insisting that the massive cost -- as much as $200 billion -- be paid for. Conservatives are calling for spending cuts to existing programs, a few GOP moderates are entertaining the possibility of a tax increase, and many in the middle want to freeze Bush tax cuts that have yet to take effect.

    The resistance suggests that Bush's second term could turn out far rockier and more contentious than his first. One indicator many Republicans are watching to gauge whether Bush is becoming a liability for the party is in Pennsylvania, where Rick Santorum, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, is trailing state treasurer Bob Casey Jr. by double digits.

    "My caucus would do anything for Senator Santorum," Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee (R-R.I.) said of his colleague. Chafee, who himself faces a tough reelection battle next year, predicted Republicans will increasingly be faced with the choice of propping up Bush or protecting their own. "I think they're going to collide," Chafee said of the two options.

    Asked whether Bush's problems were a factor in his slump, Santorum responded, "That may be."

    The White House is aware of the growing political problem and has moved on several fronts to pacify Republicans -- with decidedly uneven results. Treasury Secretary John W. Snow, in a speech yesterday, said the White House will be forced to put several plans on the "back burner," including changes to the estate tax and permanently extending first-term tax cuts. "It's taken over the national agenda, and I think it will for a while," he said.

    This prompted protests from one of the White House's closest allies, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), who said waiting on taxes was unacceptable. But White House officials said Snow was accurately reflecting Bush's intentions.

    Amid this friction, top White House officials told Republicans the relief and recovery package could come in much lower than widely quoted projections of $200 billion. Some House GOP leaders also are urging their colleagues to cool off, reminding them that the true cost of the relief effort is not yet known.

    "There are tough choices that are going to have to be made," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. "We're going to have to cut unnecessary spending elsewhere in the budget to offset some of the cost with Katrina."

    House conservatives are particularly riled. Unhappy about spending growth during Bush's first term, they thought they had slowed the pace when Congress passed a relatively austere fiscal 2006 budget this spring.

    A group of these conservatives, including Feeney, plans today to present to the White House a proposal to cover the cost of the entire Katrina relief and reconstruction package. Dubbed "Operation Offset," it will include repealing many of the pork-barrel projects stuffed into the $286 billion highway bill that Bush signed into law a few weeks before Katrina struck.

    McCain called on Bush to undo the Medicare prescription drug law, while a number of lawmakers said the costly benefit should at least be postponed from its January starting date. Republicans are pressing ahead with the Medicare changes, even as the White House spreads the word it is opposed to such a move.

    In one of the most unexpected proposals to cover the reconstruction costs, Rep. Vernon Ehlers (R-Mich.) raised the possibility of raising taxes. Other Republicans say that while a tax increase is unlikely, Bush tax cuts that are scheduled to take effect in coming years may be in serious jeopardy.

    Sen. George V. Voinovich (R-Ohio) said he will even comb through the Pentagon budget for cost savings. "Many of us think that we need to step back and look at what we're doing and reevaluate it," Voinovich said. But he added that "someone has to look at the big picture" -- and that someone should be the president. "The vision is missing," Voinovich said.

    A new Gallup poll shows a majority of Americans believe the mission in Iraq should be cut to cover the recovery costs, while only a small fraction support slashing other domestic programs, raising taxes or increasing the deficit to finance it. New Orleans also has emerged as the chief target of angst. "The question is do we really want to flood New Orleans with money," said Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.).

    Kingston said he has detected a building hostility toward New Orleans among his constituents, based on reports that local officials mismanaged the crisis, along with federal dollars that had previously flowed the region's way. "What we are hearing from constituents is: 'Wait a minute, slow down on this,' " Kingston said.

    Deficits have rarely emerged as a potent political issue, with the exception of Ross Perot's independent bid for the presidency in 1992, but some worried Republicans believe the deficit may soon reach an untenable level, especially if Democrats can link it to Republican mismanagement.

    "I don't know that anyone ever lost a race because of the deficit, but there is concern" that it could happen this time around, said Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), the former head of the National Republican Congressional Committee. "You can't just keep piling up debt."
    Dude. Can. Fly.

  • #2
    QUOTE
    "You can't just keep piling up debt."[/b][/quote]

    It's about fucking time.
    Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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    • #3
      Do they really have to look that hard to find waste?

      They'll all talk about cutting the pork to pay for this, and then none of them will want to give up the bags of cash going to their constituency. And so it goes.

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      • #4
        QUOTE(madyaks @ Sep 21 2005, 01:58 PM) Quoted post

        QUOTE
        "You can't just keep piling up debt."[/b][/quote]

        It's about fucking time.
        [/b][/quote]
        Why not?

        You can keep piling up debt for a long, long time.

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        • #5
          How much is the Eskimo Bridge to Igloos in the Middle of Fucking Nowhere going to cost again?
          “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.”

          Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in.

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          • #6
            QUOTE(Razzy @ Sep 21 2005, 02:26 PM) Quoted post

            How much is the Eskimo Bridge to Igloos in the Middle of Fucking Nowhere going to cost again?
            [/b][/quote]

            Eleventy billion dollars.
            RIP Chris Jones 1971-2009
            You'll never be forgotten.

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            • #7
              QUOTE(pgrote @ Sep 21 2005, 02:05 PM) Quoted post

              QUOTE(madyaks @ Sep 21 2005, 01:58 PM) Quoted post

              QUOTE
              "You can't just keep piling up debt."[/b][/quote]

              It's about fucking time.
              [/b][/quote]
              Why not?
              [/b][/quote]

              Do you have Talent's email address? You should ask him.
              Dude. Can. Fly.

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              • #8
                QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Sep 21 2005, 02:36 PM) Quoted post

                QUOTE(pgrote @ Sep 21 2005, 02:05 PM) Quoted post

                QUOTE(madyaks @ Sep 21 2005, 01:58 PM) Quoted post

                QUOTE
                "You can't just keep piling up debt."[/b][/quote]

                It's about fucking time.
                [/b][/quote]
                Why not?
                [/b][/quote]

                Do you have Talent's email address? You should ask him.
                [/b][/quote]
                Why is that?

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                • #9
                  QUOTE(Razzy @ Sep 21 2005, 02:26 PM) Quoted post

                  How much is the Eskimo Bridge to Igloos in the Middle of Fucking Nowhere going to cost again?
                  [/b][/quote]
                  230 - 250 Million
                  Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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                  • #10
                    QUOTE(pgrote @ Sep 21 2005, 02:37 PM) Quoted post

                    QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Sep 21 2005, 02:36 PM) Quoted post

                    QUOTE(pgrote @ Sep 21 2005, 02:05 PM) Quoted post

                    QUOTE(madyaks @ Sep 21 2005, 01:58 PM) Quoted post

                    QUOTE
                    "You can't just keep piling up debt."[/b][/quote]

                    It's about fucking time.
                    [/b][/quote]
                    Why not?
                    [/b][/quote]

                    Do you have Talent's email address? You should ask him.
                    [/b][/quote]
                    Why is that?
                    [/b][/quote]


                    Because the story is about Republican senators having a problem with growing the deficit, not madyaks.
                    Dude. Can. Fly.

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                    • #11
                      QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Sep 21 2005, 02:52 PM) Quoted post

                      Because the story is about Republican senators having a problem with growing the deficit, not madyaks.
                      [/b][/quote]
                      Yaks said it was about fucking time. I asked why you couldn't keep piling up debt. I presume Yaks agrees with them.

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                      • #12
                        is this an In?
                        Un-Official Sponsor of Randy Choate and Kevin Siegrist

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                        • #13
                          QUOTE(pgrote @ Sep 21 2005, 02:53 PM) Quoted post

                          QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Sep 21 2005, 02:52 PM) Quoted post

                          Because the story is about Republican senators having a problem with growing the deficit, not madyaks.
                          [/b][/quote]
                          Yaks said it was about fucking time. I asked why you couldn't keep piling up debt. I presume Yaks agrees with them.
                          [/b][/quote]


                          And I'm saying since more than likely you won't respect yaks' thoughts/opinions on the matter, why don't you ask a Republican senator that you likely voted for who possibly echoes the same sentiment?
                          Dude. Can. Fly.

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                          • #14
                            QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Sep 21 2005, 03:04 PM) Quoted post

                            QUOTE(pgrote @ Sep 21 2005, 02:53 PM) Quoted post

                            QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Sep 21 2005, 02:52 PM) Quoted post

                            Because the story is about Republican senators having a problem with growing the deficit, not madyaks.
                            [/b][/quote]
                            Yaks said it was about fucking time. I asked why you couldn't keep piling up debt. I presume Yaks agrees with them.
                            [/b][/quote]


                            And I'm saying since more than likely you won't respect yaks' thoughts/opinions on the matter, why don't you ask a Republican senator that you likely voted for who possibly echoes the same sentiment?
                            [/b][/quote]
                            Who ever respects Yaks' opinions on anything political or Bonds-related anyway?

                            "Can't buy what I want because it's free...
                            Can't buy what I want because it's free..."
                            -- Pearl Jam, from the single Corduroy

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                            • #15
                              QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Sep 21 2005, 03:04 PM) Quoted post

                              QUOTE(pgrote @ Sep 21 2005, 02:53 PM) Quoted post

                              QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Sep 21 2005, 02:52 PM) Quoted post

                              Because the story is about Republican senators having a problem with growing the deficit, not madyaks.
                              [/b][/quote]
                              Yaks said it was about fucking time. I asked why you couldn't keep piling up debt. I presume Yaks agrees with them.
                              [/b][/quote]


                              And I'm saying since more than likely you won't respect yaks' thoughts/opinions on the matter, why don't you ask a Republican senator that you likely voted for who possibly echoes the same sentiment?
                              [/b][/quote]
                              As soon as Talent posts here, I'll ask him.

                              Until then, the interaction with Yaks is what I was going for.

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