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    Sorry if this has been discussed, but does it make sense for Lankford to bat 2nd and Sanders to bat 7th? Why not bat Sanders 2nd, giving us a better R-L balance throughout the lineup. I can't imagine Sanders would strike out more than Lankford. I don't think Lankford has any more speed at his age. Opinions?
    Asked what he would do differently in Iraq, Kerry said, "Right now, what I would do differently is, I mean, look, I'm not the president, and I didn't create this mess so I don't want to acknowledge a mistake that I haven't made."

  • #2
    I would guess that La Russa gave some thought to batting Sanders second---he fills the criteria of having a guy with some power in the #2 spot.

    Maybe they figure Lankford will strike out less than Sanders. The stories I saw about him seemed to indicate that perhaps his swing is more controlled than it used to be. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by kaiser@Apr 5 2004, 07:40 AM
      I would guess that La Russa gave some thought to batting Sanders second
      Not sure how comforting that is :(
      Asked what he would do differently in Iraq, Kerry said, "Right now, what I would do differently is, I mean, look, I'm not the president, and I didn't create this mess so I don't want to acknowledge a mistake that I haven't made."

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      • #4
        A good baseball question -- and one that should elicit some responses =]

        I hate getting caught up in the L-R balance issue. Unless you have a row of lefthanders together, I don't think its that big of an issue, at least not what some make it out to be, TLR included.

        That said, I really dislike Sanders in the 7 hole. For a variety of reasons:
        -- The guy will never get anything to hit in that position
        -- He strikes out enough as it is, why give him fewer good pitches to hit?

        Now, should Lankford be in the 7 spot? Probably not. But I don't like Sanders there either.

        Honestly, three weeks ago I thought our lineup should look something like this...

        Lankford
        Sanders
        Edmonds
        Pujols
        Rolen
        Renteria
        Matheny
        Hart/Anderson
        P
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        • #5
          I understand La Russa's thinking on this. Not sure I agree or disagree with it, but I understand it.

          I would guess that a healthy J.D. Drew would have been the ideal #2 hitter in a La Russa lineup--power and speed. Hopefully, that's what Lankford will bring.
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          • #6
            Kaiser, I would have loved to have seen Sanders batting two.

            He'd have seen lots of good pitches there to hit, what with Albert hitting behind him.

            That could have led to a monster year, whereas I see him being a "disappointment" in the 7 hole.

            I for one do subscribe to the idea that a player's postion in the order has an impact on their numbers.
            When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night."

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            • #7
              Winston, interesting lineup. I had not thought of putting Lankford and Sanders together at the top of the order.

              I take it that even though Womack is now on the team, you would still advocate the same lineup with Womack hitting 8th?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by WinstonSmith@Apr 5 2004, 07:44 AM
                A good baseball question -- and one that should elicit some responses =]

                I hate getting caught up in the L-R balance issue. Unless you have a row of lefthanders together, I don't think its that big of an issue, at least not what some make it out to be, TLR included.

                That said, I really dislike Sanders in the 7 hole. For a variety of reasons:
                -- The guy will never get anything to hit in that position
                -- He strikes out enough as it is, why give him fewer good pitches to hit?

                Now, should Lankford be in the 7 spot? Probably not. But I don't like Sanders there either.

                Honestly, three weeks ago I thought our lineup should look something like this...

                Lankford
                Sanders
                Edmonds
                Pujols
                Rolen
                Renteria
                Matheny
                Hart/Anderson
                P
                No way would I want 2, non-contact hitters leading the game off. I'm not convinced Lankford will even be a starter a month from now so none of this may matter.

                I think it is very important to have a good L-R balance in the linuep. I don't think it matter for the first 6 innings, but after that, I think it's good to make the other team use as many pitchers as possible. What if they use 3 pitchers for one out to get the best R-L matchup and the game goes 13 innings, they run out of pitchers. If it's possible, I think the effort should be made, but I realize sometimes it's not possible.
                Asked what he would do differently in Iraq, Kerry said, "Right now, what I would do differently is, I mean, look, I'm not the president, and I didn't create this mess so I don't want to acknowledge a mistake that I haven't made."

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                • #9
                  Even with the Ks, Ray always got on base. I suspect that's a large part of it as well.

                  Unless Sanders does, too, in which case just pretend I didn't post this.

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                  • #10
                    That's a good question and I'm not really sure.

                    Given his anemic OBP in recent years, I'm not sold on him being our leadoff hitter.

                    He seems to be another Vina.

                    I really like the idea of this "improved" Lankford as a leadoff guy. He has always has solid OBP numbers, even when he was striking out like a little leaguer. He has proven that he can still run -- perhaps better than the past few years.

                    It would provide Sanders with pitches to hit and give us a top-heavy lineup but with the speed at the end that TLR likes.

                    No matter the lineup, I think Matheny does less damage TO the Cardinals in the 7 spot than he does the 8. Even though it would mean Edgar doesn't get pitches to hit.

                    There is no perfect lineup -- even for the Yankees.
                    When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ReggieCleveland@Apr 5 2004, 07:52 AM
                      Even with the Ks, Ray always got on base. I suspect that's a large part of it as well.

                      Unless Sanders does, too, in which case just pretend I didn't post this.
                      Ray's career OBP is about 20 points higher and they strike out with about the same frequency, 27% of the time for Ray, 26% for Sanders. Those are career numbers though, I'd assume Sanders has been better over the last 3 years played. I see them as pretty much being equal, so if everything is equal, why not try for R-L balance?
                      Asked what he would do differently in Iraq, Kerry said, "Right now, what I would do differently is, I mean, look, I'm not the president, and I didn't create this mess so I don't want to acknowledge a mistake that I haven't made."

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                      • #12
                        I agree with whoever above that as long as you're not hitting three lefties in a row -- and Tony would kill puppies before that would happen -- the balance is overrated. Although I do admit I'm surprised to see four RHers in a row.

                        I'd rather not see Ray hit in the middle of the lineup. Been there, done that, and it's just not necessary with the sticks we have.

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                        • #13
                          Well, he's going to be batting second for now, you agree with that?
                          When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night."

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                          • #14
                            So, are the 2B choices now Anderson & Womak? I thought Hart was sent to AAA.

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                            • #15
                              Yes. And Luna is in the mix, too.
                              When you say to your neighbor, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night if that's alright with you," what you really mean is, "We're having a loud party on Saturday night."

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