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  • Sleeping on San Diego - Padres have just as big a lead

    Their rotation will be set - they are probably scouting the heck out of clubs - they might be a problem.
    Turning the other cheek is better than burying the other body.

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    If you're worried about SD, you might as well just give up sports, because they're bound to be way too stressful for you.

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    • #3
      Mediocre Padres still showing the way in NL West
      By Jorge L. Ortiz, USA TODAY
      SAN DIEGO — For most of the summer the San Diego Padres have been hearing the putdowns, of their team and the National League West, the division they have ruled essentially by default for nearly four months. The potshots have come from media, fans, sometimes even fellow players. If the Padres win the West, it has been suggested, they should fly the championship flag at half-staff. The video commemorating their crown should be titled Division by Attrition.

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      Baseball's worst playoff teamsFour comeback victories in the last five games through Monday only inched the Padres just past the break-even mark at 75-74. With a precious few games left, they have already set a standard for mediocrity while chugging toward an even more significant mark.

      On Aug. 14, San Diego became the first team to lead its division with a sub-.500 record (58-59) at such a late stage. The Padres have added to that dubious distinction several times and are threatening to displace the 1973 New York Mets (82-79) as the club with the worst record to claim a division title in a full season.

      The Padres, though, are not about to apologize for being so relentlessly average.

      "Regardless of what our record is, the goal is to make the playoffs," outfielder Dave Roberts said. "If you win 100 games and you don't get to the postseason, what good is it? I guarantee you every single team that wins more games than us this year would like to be in our position."

      That's six games up on the San Francisco Giants with 13 to go entering Tuesday. San Diego closes the season with a total of seven games against the Giants and Dodgers, so the potential for a late collapse still exists. But it's hard to envision any team in the West actually seizing the title. It appears to be the Padres' to lose, so to speak.

      Meanwhile, the Philadelphia Phillies, Florida Marlins and Washington Nationals, all with superior marks, are stuck behind the perennial champion Atlanta Braves in the loaded NL East, left to fight it out with the Houston Astros for the wild card.

      Asked if he wondered how his club would fare in the West, Nationals outfielder Ryan Church said, "We may look at it in the paper and go, 'You gotta be kidding me,' but you can't take anything away from their division. They have some great teams. This is just one of those years."

      Baseball's poorest playoff teamsYearTeamW-L%.1973New York Mets82-79.5091997Houston Astros84-78.5191984Kansas City Royals84-78.5191987Minnesota Twins85-77.5251997Cleveland Indians86-75.5341995Colorado Rockies77-67.5352000New York Yankees87-74.540Note: Includes non-strike seasons
      Source: Elias Sports Bureau

      Indeed, West teams had logged nine 90-win seasons since 2000, the best mark in the NL, until the bottom fell out this year. The extended injury-induced absences of such key players as the Giants' Barry Bonds and the Dodgers' Eric Gagne and J.D. Drew, the Padres' laundry list of hurts and division-wide pitching woes — no West team has a staff earned run average below 4.00 — have created a power vacuum.

      The Padres haven't so much filled the void as occupied it. They went 22-6 in May and have resided atop the division since May 26 despite only one other winning month, a 15-12 August. They began play Tuesday 9-8 in September, hardly a finishing rush.

      Still, players are quick to point out the last three World Series champs — the 2002 Anaheim Angels, 2003 Marlins and 2004 Boston Red Sox — reached the postseason via the wild card.

      "You're playing short series" in the postseason, said Padres catcher Ramon Hernandez, who has added missing pop to the lineup since returning from wrist surgery Sept. 7. "If your team heats up going into the playoffs, you can win, regardless of your regular-season record."

      Getting a jump on hitting

      Playoff baseball, usually dominated by pitching, might suit the Padres well: They are a combined 9-4 against Atlanta and the NL Central champion St. Louis Cardinals. And San Diego can send out two front-line starters in Jake Peavy (12-7, 2.98 ERA) and Adam Eaton (10-4, 4.10 ERA), to go with an outstanding bullpen anchored by closer Trevor Hoffman (38 saves).

      But as Tony Gwynn points out, you need at least some runs in the postseason, and producing them is not the Padres' forte. They rank 13th in the league in scoring (4.2 runs a game) and in home runs.

      So even the man known as Mr. Padre keeps more than 60 feet, 6 inches from this bunch. As the consummate student of hitting, the eight-time NL batting champion sounds almost appalled when discussing the team's hitting approach.

      "Just going up to the plate and having quality at-bats has been the biggest issue," Gwynn said.

      Hitting coach Dave Magadan is "trying to get guys to understand that you have to work the count, you have to swing at strikes, do all those kinds of things good teams do on the offensive end. But they just haven't been able to do it."

      Magadan said part of the reason for that has been the Gray's Anatomy of ailments — sprained wrists, separated shoulders, broken fingers and toes — that have befallen the Padres.

      Their 590 player games missed because of injury entering Monday are 153 more than last season. Among the most significant absences have been Hernandez (48 games), Eaton (58), second baseman Mark Loretta (52) and shortstop Khalil Greene (33).

      Attending to better times

      Gwynn said the club's inability to put away the division has frustrated fans, but they're still showing up at 35,469 per game — eighth best in baseball, many doubtlessly drawn by San Diego's jewel of a ballpark.

      Contender with little offenseSAN DIEGO — Going into the season there were plenty of reasons to believe the heart of the Padres' lineup would be pumping in runs at a healthy pace.

      Brian Giles and Phil Nevin had combined to drive in 199 runs the year before, and Ryan Klesko, though coming off a down season, had strong credentials as a No. 3 hitter, having averaged 27 home runs and 92 RBI from 2000-2003.

      This year, however, the offense has been sluggish, ranking 13th in the National League in runs and home runs entering Monday.

      Giles is the only one coming close to a solid season, leading the team with 78 RBI entering Tuesday.

      Giles' 15 home runs project to his lowest total since he was a rookie in 1996, and his 112 walks are a testament not only to his selective eye but also the lack of pop around him in the lineup.

      "The middle of our order has been non-existent," general manager Kevin Towers said.

      Nevin was hitting .256 with nine homers and 47 RBI when he was dealt to Texas in exchange for right-hander Chan Ho Park and cash on July 29.

      Klesko had 14 home runs and 40 RBI at the All-Star break but has contributed only three and 16 since then. Dogged by neck pain and unable to put in extended time in the hitting cage, he's still searching for his stroke.

      "All I can do now is get myself ready, try to finish this thing off and get ready for the postseason and not look at what I'm doing the second half," Klesko said.

      By Jorge L. Ortiz, USA TODAYTwo-year-old Petco Park fairly glistens at night as downtown rises from behind the outfield fences.

      A couple of hours before a recent weekend game, mortgage brokers Sean Kelly and David McGee watch batting practice from their box seats down the left-field foul line. Both are with their two kids.

      Asked why fans haven't turned on such a flawed team, McGee alludes to the city's reputation for a laid-back attitude.

      "This is San Diego," he said. "We check the sports page first, then go to the weather page to see the surfing conditions, then to the financial page to check on our money. This is not Fenway Park."

      And neither are these the dreadful 1970s, when San Diego was the laughingstock of baseball.

      Born in 1969, the Padres didn't register their first winning season until going 84-78 in 1978. It would be another six years before they reached their first World Series, a 4-1 wipeout by the Detroit Tigers.

      San Diego made the postseason only twice more, in '96 and '98 (a 4-0 loss to the New York Yankees in the World Series).

      "By comparison, this is heaven," said Jerry Coleman, who began broadcasting Padres games in 1972 and managed San Diego to a 73-89 mark in 1980. "Usually, by June 1st, it was over."

      Now September and October are meaningful, if only because the rest of the West has been so dreadful.

      The Padres can find some solace in the past.

      • The '73 Mets got to the World Series, taking a 3-2 edge before bowing in seven games to the Oakland A's.

      • The '87 Minnesota Twins won the Fall Classic after an 85-77 regular season.

      "Fans want to have a chance in the playoffs," general manager Kevin Towers said.

      "If we go three-and-out, fans may say this was the type of club we had all year. But I think we'll have a chance to win our first series, and if we do, people are going to forget our record. Maybe they'll say we're a team of destiny."

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      Turning the other cheek is better than burying the other body.

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      • #4
        Which of course in German means "A Whale's Vagina"
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        • #5
          QUOTE(Reggie Cleveland @ Sep 20 2005, 02:00 PM) Quoted post
          If you're worried about SD, you might as well just give up sports, because they're bound to be way too stressful for you. [/b][/quote]

          Not worried - just not expecting a push over.
          Turning the other cheek is better than burying the other body.

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          • #6
            QUOTE
            Not worried - just not expecting a push over.[/b][/quote]

            If playing a .500 team (maybe!) in the playoffs isn't a pushover, then there is no such thing as a pushover.

            So far as the postseason goes, it simply doesn't get any better than this.

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            • #7
              QUOTE(Reggie Cleveland @ Sep 20 2005, 02:14 PM) Quoted post
              QUOTE
              Not worried - just not expecting a push over.[/b][/quote]

              If playing a .500 team (maybe!) in the playoffs isn't a pushover, then there is no such thing as a pushover.

              So far as the postseason goes, it simply doesn't get any better than this. [/b][/quote]

              True but we must do our due deligence in scouting and respecting that team.
              Turning the other cheek is better than burying the other body.

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              • #8
                QUOTE(BringBackZezel @ Sep 20 2005, 02:06 PM) Quoted post

                Which of course in German means "A Whale's Vagina"
                [/b][/quote]

                How many times are you going to use that Anchorman joke?
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                • #9
                  We certainly can't go in overconfident. See: Rams week 1.

                  But the Cardinals aren't like that. See: LDS last year against the Dodgers.

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                  • #10
                    The Padres friggin' blow.

                    And they haven't won the damn division yet (Mr. Bonds and company are making a late push to challenge for the NL West)...

                    The Cards should be rooting for the Astros at this point - if the Marlins or Phillies get the Wild Card, the Braves will get the pushover NLDS series against the NL West cannon fodder...
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                    • #11
                      QUOTE(FAR52 @ Sep 20 2005, 02:22 PM) Quoted post

                      QUOTE(BringBackZezel @ Sep 20 2005, 02:06 PM) Quoted post

                      Which of course in German means "A Whale's Vagina"
                      [/b][/quote]

                      How many times are you going to use that Anchorman joke?
                      [/b][/quote]

                      By my count, I'd say at least 200 too many times.
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                      • #12
                        QUOTE(FAR52 @ Sep 20 2005, 02:22 PM) Quoted post

                        QUOTE(BringBackZezel @ Sep 20 2005, 02:06 PM) Quoted post

                        Which of course in German means "A Whale's Vagina"
                        [/b][/quote]

                        How many times are you going to use that Anchorman joke?
                        [/b][/quote]

                        No, I made that all up, I was just trying to impress you. The truth is, I don't think anyone relly knows what it means anymore, Scholars claim they still safeguard the name, but they don't know.
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                        • #13
                          QUOTE(Schwahalala @ Sep 20 2005, 11:56 AM) Quoted post

                          Their rotation will be set - they are probably scouting the heck out of clubs - they might be a problem.
                          [/b][/quote]


                          Good Lord. They're a .500 team. They'll be the worst National League playoff team since--well, ever, actually. Give me a break.
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                          • #14
                            San Diego was losing 15-0 to Colorado in the third inning tonight.
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                            • #15
                              QUOTE(JWB @ Sep 20 2005, 06:56 PM) Quoted post

                              San Diego was losing 15-0 to Colorado in the third inning tonight.
                              [/b][/quote]


                              Guess they didn't scout the heck out of the Rockies.
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