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  • The Anthrax Attacks - 4 Years Later - What Do We Know

    Well, it's been four, count them... Four years since a biological and psychological attack was unleashed on the American people. What have we learned?

    USA Today - Anthrax came from US lab.

    Anthrax Missing From Army Lab

    Biological Warfare Experts surprised that Dugway Proving Grounds has been making the Anthrax used in the letters sent to Daschle and Leahy.

    Discovery News - Greenpeace reporting leak inside US delegation at UN Biological Weapons Conference in Geneva that US Anthrax attacks are "inside job" by member of US Biological Weapons Program.

    Report: U.S. Expert Believed Behind Anthrax Attacks

    Dr. Zack was caught on a security tape making an unauthorized entry into the Anthrax storage area after he had been fired for a racially motivated attack on a co-worker.

    Foreign press picks up story that Anthrax letters were sent by American bio-war scientist ... and that the FBI is dragging its feet on the case.

    FBI 'guilty of cover-up' over anthrax suspect

    Agency hushed anthrax scandal

    Documents Show Postal Officials Knew Building Was Contaminated, But Kept Facility Open 4 Additional Days - Endangering Workers and Public

    Bush and White House on Cipro a month before Anthrax attack

    QUOTE
    POSSIBLE SUSPECTS
    When any crime is committed, investigators always look for a motive. Who stands to benefit from the anthrax attacks? What interests stand to benefit? Let’s consider some suspects:

    Suspect #1: Al-Qaida.

    While they may want to sow terror in the U.S., why would they target Democrats? If they struck the World Trade Center and Pentagon because they were centers of economic and military power, wouldn’t it follow that they would target Bush and the Republicans? Since it appears the anthrax letters were timed to strengthen Bush’s police power in the Patriot Act, wouldn’t it be counter to al-Qaida’s interest to do that?

    Suspect #2: Iraq:

    Likewise, Iraq would not have anything to gain by attacking opponents of the original Patriot Bill.

    Suspect #3: A Lone Wolf:

    Recent statements by the FBI and by Barbara Hatch Rosenberg theorize that the culprit is a disgruntled scientist, formerly with Fort Detrick.[44] Suspected motives include getting the government to spend more money on bioweapons research, proving his expertise and/or blaming it on a hated co-worker. David Franz, the former bioweapons commander at Ft. Detrick, said, “I think a lot of good has come from it. He told ABC News, “…we’ve now five people who have died, but we put about $6 billion in our budget into defending against bioterrorism.”[45] Has a lone wolf morphed into a pack of wolves?

    Suspect #4: The CIA:

    The CIA has cultures of the Ames strain.[46] The Agency has been conducting secret experiments with powdered germs since 1997 at Battelle Memorial Institute in Ohio.[47] Battelle received the Ames strain from Fort Detrick in May of 2001.[48] The CIA said it was trying to develop defenses against anthrax, but did not explain why it was doing what other defense labs were set up to do. As of December 16, 2001, one FBI investigator said that the CIA’s anthrax project was the “best lead they have at this point.”[49]

    Just as Oliver North ran an illegal and secret Iran-Contra scam out of the White House, with then President Reagan and CIA denying knowledge of it, so too could conspirators operate secretly and illegally to intimidate the congressional opposition now.[50] Former President Nixon did this also with his Watergate break-in, enemies list and domestic surveillance.[51] There is evidence that George H.W.Bush, former head of the CIA, made a secret pre-election deal in 1980 with the Iranian hostage holders, delaying their release until after the election to insure the victory of Ronald Reagan.[52] After all these dirty tricks, is it too outrageous to think the President’s men would stoop to intimidating Congress with anthrax?

    Suspect #5: The anthrax vaccine industry:

    According to Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D.,M.A., M.P.H., “All findings have pointed to anthrax mailings being a white collar crime, a military-industrial conspiracy involving chief biological weapons firms and the CIA.” Horowitz, a Harvard trained expert in public health and social and behavioral science, bases his conclusion on “the highly weaponized nature of the silica powdered anthrax that required a weapons savvy microbiologist and expensive equipment to produce.”[53]

    The Baltimore Sun reported on Oct.21, 2001, “The Bush administration asked Congress for $1.5 billion to stockpile emergency medicine. The N.Y.Times reported on Nov.16, 2001, “Senators seek $3.2 billion to fight germ threats, doubling the Bush plan.” Horowitz wrote: “obvious suspects among the government “insiders” with economic and/or political motives to mail anthrax are Bioport, sole maker of the anthrax vaccine, smallpox vaccine makers OraVax/Acambis, Baxter, and Aventis, Bayer, and Battelle.”[54] Remember that Battelle and the CIA have collaborated on anthrax research since 1997 (see CIA above).

    Suspect #6: The Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA):

    It is common knowledge that the military wants military tribunals, secret trails, suspension of civil liberties and impunity from civilian control. They run Fort Detrick and the Dugway Proving Ground and control the Ames anthrax. They wanted a war in Afghanistan. They want lots of oil for the military machine. They don’t want Congressional, media or public opposition. They want a free hand and have the power to get it. Several authors believe that the Joint Chiefs and DIA assassinated JFK because he removed nuclear missiles from the Soviet border during the Cuba missile crisis and would not bomb Cuba during the Bay of Pigs invasion.[55]

    Suspect #7: Big Oil

    It's been three years since Congress discussed removing the government of Afghanistan to make way for an oil pipeline: [56] Three months before 9/11, the US Government told India there would be an invasion of Afghanistan in October.[57] One month before 9/11, the BBC heard about the planned invasion of Afghanistan.[58] Five months before 9/11, Jane's Defense News got word of the planned invasion of Afghanistan.[59] The U.S. recently installed Hamid Karzai as the new interim president of Afghanistan and Zalmay Khalizad as the U.S. Afghanistan envoy. Both are former employees of Unocal, the future builder of the oil pipeline.[60] The attacks on the World Trade Towers got the American people angered into support of the war that everybody on the planet BUT Americans had been told was on the way before September 11.

    Suspect #8: Israeli agents:

    In the days right after 9/11, an influx of illegal Israelis was interdicted by INS officers. Unlike the Arabs suspects, they were not detained. Israel cited the U.S. bombing of Afghanistan to justify their increasing attacks on Palestine, saying it was part of the war on terrorism. For several weeks, the ploy seemed to be working, as Bush sided with Israel against Palestine. A strong U.S. anti-terrorism Act is seen by Israeli leaders as helpful to their military plans. The anthrax attacks helped produce it.

    The fact that the U.S. is a strong ally of Israel does not deter occasional hostile acts by Israel. Israel also has “sleepers” in the U.S., like Jonathan Pollard, who was imprisoned for spying on U.S. secrets.[61] It was reported on Feb. 26 that a scientist, formerly employed at Fort Detrick, Md., Dr. Philip M. Zack, may be the culprit. He allegedly tried to blame an Egyptian co-worker, Dr. Ayaad Assaad. Surveillance cameras allegedly recorded Zack’s entrance after hours at 8:40 PM on January 23, 1992. A co-worker named Dr. Marian Rippy allegedly let him in to conduct unauthorized research. Specimens of anthrax were reported missing during the same period.[62]

    Israel also deliberately fired on the U.S. spy ship Liberty off their coast in 1967, killing 34 U.S. seamen so their massacres would not be observed.[63] A ship load of U.S. uranium, which disappeared in 1967 is believed to have been highjacked by Israeli agents to advance its secret nuclear bomb production.[64] The motto of their secret police is “By Way of Deception.” One of their own assassinated President Rabin. Do they have a cabal operating outside the law which is just as fanatic as the Jewish Defense League or the Palestinian Hamas?

    ANALYSIS OF SUSPECTS
    Suspicion of al-Qaida can be eliminated to the extent that they were NOT enabled by American handlers, intent on using “foreign assets” as a cover. Only highly-placed US personnel have access to the Ames strain of anthrax.

    Iraq has no significant biological weapons capability, according to Scott Ritter, former United Nations inspector in Iraq.[65] U.S. investigators have found no Iraqi connection to terrorism in the U.S.[66]

    Any Zionist who worked at Ft. Detrick or Dugway may have had access to the Ames strain. An Israeli agent would commit this crime only at a risk of inciting anti-Jewish sentiment if caught, which a scientist should be smart enough to know.

    A vaccine company by itself is an unlikely suspect. If they wanted to “scare up a market” for drugs, they could have done so without carefully coordinating the attacks with the Patriot Bill.

    Dr. Rosenberg theorized that the motive of a lone bioweapons scientist was to get more research money from the government. The sophisticated timing with congressional events would be unnecessary for that purpose.

    The CIA and Battelle seem capable of pulling off this conspiracy. The CIA’s history of covert action makes it entirely plausible.

    Big Oil would pull off this coup, but they are not able to do it alone. The President and Vice President are oil men and they run the military and intelligence agencies. Either with or without Executive collusion, it would necessitate the involvement of military or intelligence personnel. Chances are great that the Joint chiefs and DIA are involved because they control the Ames anthrax and have a motive. An oil pipeline through Afghanistan was nixed by the Taliban before 9/11. Now it’s back on track.[67]

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  • #2
    I saw something about this the other night.
    They have nothing, it's as cold as the unibomber was.
    Be passionate about what you believe in, or why bother.

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    • #3
      Ooh. I got attacked by this as well. We had to evacuate our building twice ddue to false anthrax assaults. fun times.

      I think the guy is dead in his basement, that's what I think.
      To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.

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      • #4
        The prime suspect is still Al Qaeda and Iraq.

        You are asking the wrong questions, Torch. The real question is why the FBI keeps trying to pin these attacks on a domestic terrorist when all the evidence indicates otherwise. The trail has gone "cold" because the FBI persists in following a false profile - the disgruntled American scientist.
        "I am for truth no matter who says it. I am for justice no matter who it is for or against."...Malcom X

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        • #5
          QUOTE(Jaws @ Sep 19 2005, 01:53 AM) Quoted post

          The prime suspect is still Al Qaeda and Iraq.

          You are asking the wrong questions, Torch. The real question is why the FBI keeps trying to pin these attacks on a domestic terrorist when all the evidence indicates otherwise. The trail has gone "cold" because the FBI persists in following a false profile - the disgruntled American scientist.
          [/b][/quote]

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          • #6
            QUOTE(Lippa @ Sep 19 2005, 07:40 AM) Quoted post

            QUOTE(Jaws @ Sep 19 2005, 01:53 AM) Quoted post

            The prime suspect is still Al Qaeda and Iraq.

            You are asking the wrong questions, Torch. The real question is why the FBI keeps trying to pin these attacks on a domestic terrorist when all the evidence indicates otherwise. The trail has gone "cold" because the FBI persists in following a false profile - the disgruntled American scientist.
            [/b][/quote]

            But that's what it is in all the movies!
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            • #7


              Put silver wings on my son's chest.....

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              • #8
                QUOTE(Jaws @ Sep 19 2005, 12:53 AM) Quoted post

                The prime suspect is still Al Qaeda and Iraq.

                You are asking the wrong questions, Torch. The real question is why the FBI keeps trying to pin these attacks on a domestic terrorist when all the evidence indicates otherwise. The trail has gone "cold" because the FBI persists in following a false profile - the disgruntled American scientist.
                [/b][/quote]


                No way. Al Queda and Iraq would snort anthrax up there nose before they used it in a terror scheme. The FBI has all the evidence it needs to go after Zack. They are afraid where Zack will lead them though.

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                • #9
                  QUOTE(thetorch @ Sep 19 2005, 02:57 PM) Quoted post

                  QUOTE(Jaws @ Sep 19 2005, 12:53 AM) Quoted post

                  The prime suspect is still Al Qaeda and Iraq.

                  You are asking the wrong questions, Torch. The real question is why the FBI keeps trying to pin these attacks on a domestic terrorist when all the evidence indicates otherwise. The trail has gone "cold" because the FBI persists in following a false profile - the disgruntled American scientist.
                  [/b][/quote]


                  No way. Al Queda and Iraq would snort anthrax up there nose before they used it in a terror scheme. The FBI has all the evidence it needs to go after Zack. They are afraid where Zack will lead them though.
                  [/b][/quote]

                  Here is an article from the Washington Post that discusses *some* of the problems with the disgruntled scientist theory.

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                  FBI's Theory On Anthrax Is Doubted
                  Attacks Not Likely Work Of 1 Person, Experts Say

                  By Guy Gugliotta and Gary Matsumoto
                  Washington Post Staff Writers
                  Monday, October 28, 2002; Page A01

                  A significant number of scientists and biological warfare experts are expressing skepticism about the FBI's view that a single disgruntled American scientist prepared the spores and mailed the deadly anthrax letters that killed five people last year.

                  These sources say that making a weaponized aerosol of such sophistication and virulence would require scientific knowledge, technical competence, access to expensive equipment and safety know-how that are probably beyond the capabilities of a lone individual.


                  As a result, a consensus has emerged in recent months among experts familiar with the technology needed to turn anthrax spores into the deadly aerosol that was sent to Sens. Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) that some of the fundamental assumptions driving the FBI's investigation may be flawed.

                  "In my opinion, there are maybe four or five people in the whole country who might be able to make this stuff, and I'm one of them," said Richard O. Spertzel, chief biological inspector for the U.N. Special Commission from 1994 to 1998. "And even with a good lab and staff to help run it, it might take me a year to come up with a product as good."

                  Instead, suggested Spertzel and more than a dozen experts interviewed by The Washington Post in recent weeks, investigators might want to reexamine the possibility of state-sponsored terrorism, or try to determine whether weaponized spores may have been stolen by the attacker from an existing, but secret, biodefense program or perhaps given to the attacker by an accomplice.

                  The Defense Department and FBI refused repeated requests from The Post to discuss recent developments in the anthrax investigation. But in some important respects, the official version of events -- developed in part during the early, frantic days of the probe -- is at odds with the available evidence, the experts say.

                  A profile of the attacker issued by the FBI last November described an angry, "lone individual" with "some" science background who could weaponize the anthrax spores in a basement laboratory for as little as $2,500. The FBI acknowledged that the sender may not have been a native English speaker but emphasized that there was no "direct or clear" link between the attacks and foreign terrorism.

                  More recently, investigators appear to have abandoned the idea of an amateur attacker, but they continue to focus on a lone, domestic scientist, probably an insider. Attention has centered on medical doctor and virologist Steven J. Hatfill, a former U.S. Army scientist identified by the Justice Department as a "person of interest" in the investigation. Hatfill vigorously denies any involvement.

                  Scientists suggested that the loner theory appeared flawed even in the opening days of the investigation. The profile was issued three weeks after U.S. Army scientists had examined the Daschle spores and found them to be 1.5 to 3 microns in size and processed to a grade of 1 trillion spores per gram -- 50 times finer than anything produced by the now-defunct U.S. bioweapons program and 10 times finer than the finest known grade of Soviet anthrax spores. A micron is a millionth of a meter.

                  "Just collecting this stuff is a trick," said Steven A. Lancos, executive vice president of Niro Inc., one of the leading manufacturers of spray dryers, viewed by several sources as the likeliest tool needed to weaponize the anthrax bacteria. "Even on a small scale, you still need containment. If you're going to do it right, it could cost millions of dollars."

                  Possible Foreign Source

                  Also early in the case, U.S. authorities dismissed the possibility that Iraq could have sponsored the attacks because investigators determined that the spores had been coated with silica to make them disperse quickly, rather than the mineral bentonite, regarded by the U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command as Iraq's additive of choice.

                  However, Iraq's alleged preference for bentonite appears to be based on a single sample of a common pesticide collected by U.N. authorities from Iraq's Al Hakam biological weapons facility in the mid-1990s. By contrast, the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency warned in declassified documents as early as 1989 that Iraq was acquiring silica to use as a chemical weapons additive.

                  In 1998, Iraq reported to the United Nations that it had conducted an artillery test of a live biological agent that used silica as a dispersant. And U.N. and U.S. intelligence documents reviewed by The Post show that Iraq had bought all the essential equipment and ingredients needed to weaponize anthrax bacteria with silica to a grade consistent with the Daschle and Leahy letters.

                  Daschle, Leahy and a few other senators and representatives have received periodic FBI briefings on the investigation, and Leahy said last week that the agency "has not foreclosed the possibility of a foreign source of this attack." However, the FBI's continued focus on Hatfill shows the agency's preoccupation with a domestic loner.

                  Bush administration officials have acknowledged that the anthrax attacks were an important motivator in the U.S. decision to confront Iraq, and several senior administration officials say today that they still strongly suspect a foreign source -- perhaps Iraq -- even though no one has publicly said so.

                  That Iraq had the wherewithal to make the anthrax letters does not mean it is the guilty party. Still, the FBI's early dismissal of the possibility may have prematurely closed a legitimate line of inquiry.

                  "Iraq almost certainly had their anthrax spores in a powdered form," Spertzel said. "They had used silica gel to aid in dispersibility of [wheat] smut spores, and also indicated they were looking at it as a carrier for aflatoxin," a carcinogen.

                  Outer Limits of Technology

                  Since the attacks one year ago, scientists have been able to identify the anthrax bacteria used in the Daschle and Leahy letters as the "Ames strain," a virulent anthrax used in U.S. biodefense programs.

                  Analysts are examining lab variants of the Ames strain to find possible sources for the original spores, but scientists and biowarfare experts say the additive used to disperse the spores may be as instructive as the spores themselves.

                  Even the sparse evidence made public by the investigation -- the uniformly tiny particle size and the trillion-spore-per-gram concentration -- has been enough to show many researchers that whoever weaponized the spores was operating at the outer limits of known aerosol technology. The mailer was brutally efficient in making a very special product for a very special mission.

                  The anthrax mailer needed a powder that could negotiate the U.S. postal system without absorbing so much moisture that it would cake up. At the end of the trip, the coated spores had to be light and supple enough to fly into the air with no delivery system beyond the rip of a letter opener through an envelope.

                  Finally, the spores had to be small enough for potential victims to inhale them deep into their lungs so that only a tiny number of spores would be needed to kill -- far fewer than the dosages anticipated by the U.S. government for the cruder aerosols of the past.

                  The answer was silica -- the same silicon dioxide that comprises substances ranging from beach sand to window glass. The attacker needed a special kind of silica, however, because the aerosol that delivered the spores was as sophisticated as any on the market.

                  "You need to get a drug into the bloodstream as an alternative to injecting it," said pharmaceutical scientist Richard Dalby of the University of Maryland's Aerosol Lab. "You need the drug to get much deeper into the lung, where the membranes are thinner, and to do that, you need smaller particles."

                  The pharmaceutical industry is the leader in this technology, Dalby added, but "there's only been an interest in generating tiny particles for that purpose for about the last 10 years."

                  Several sources agreed that the most likely way to build the coated spores would be to use the fine glass particles, known generically as "fumed silica" or "solid smoke," and mix them with the spores in a spray dryer. "I know of no other technique that might give you that finished product," Spertzel said.

                  According to William C. Patrick III, the former chief of product development for the U.S. Army's now-defunct bioweapons program, U.S. government scientists made biological agents using spray dryers, but did not spray dry anthrax.

                  Fumed silica grains are between 0.012 and 0.300 of a micron in size, and will readily adhere to the surface of any larger particle, such as an anthrax spore. Coated particles will easily disperse, because the grains act as tiny "ball bearings," enabling the larger bits to skid past one another.

                  Under an electron microscope, fumed silica would look like cotton balls strung together into strands that branch out in every direction. Their extremely small size gives them an aerodynamic quality, and their high surface area allows them to readily trap moisture, acting as a natural dessicant.

                  "If you packaged this stuff in a container, it would float out, and it's highly dispersible and messy to deal with," said C. Jeffrey Brinker, a University of New Mexico chemical engineer and a senior scientist at the Sandia National Laboratories.

                  Moreover, Brinker added, simply by shaking the particles in a jar, they acquire an electric charge, which causes them to repel one another and not clump together. A few passes through a mail-sorting machine would create the same effect. The particles would float, but they would remain separated.

                  "This concept of using something that would serve as a dessicant and a carrier at the same time is new," said Harvard University chemical engineer David Edwards. "It's a diabolically brilliant idea."

                  Fumed silica has myriad uses, mostly as a thickening agent in products including ceramics, house paint, toothpaste and cosmetics. It is not widely known as an aerosol additive.

                  "If you're going to put it into the lung, there has to be a mechanism to clear it, otherwise you just fill up somebody's lung with silica after repeated dosings," said Dalby, of the Aerosol Lab. The anthrax mailer, he noted, obviously wasn't worried about giving his victims silicosis.

                  Some fumed silicas are extremely difficult to make, but at least two -- Aerosil and Cab-O-Sil -- are readily available and sold commercially in bulk. Either product, in theory, could be used to coat anthrax spores. Aerosil is based in Germany and Cab-O-Sil, in Boston. Both firms have offices around the world.

                  Ken Alibek, a former deputy director of the Soviet bioweapons program now running an Alexandria biotechnology firm, said the Soviets used Aerosil in agent powders, and a classified Defense Department memo in 1991 said Iraq had "imported approximately 100 MT [metric tons] of Aerosil during the last 8-9 years." Spertzel said the United Nations reported in the 1990s that Iraq had 10 metric tons of Cab-O-Sil, probably destined for its chemical weapons program.

                  Expensive Equipment

                  The United Nations also documented the presence of three Niro Inc. spray dryers in Iraq in the 1990s. Spertzel said two were destroyed, and the third was scoured and sterilized before inspectors could examine it.

                  In spray drying, a technician mixes fumed silica and spores with water, then sprays the mist through a nozzle directly into a stream of superheated air shooting from a second nozzle into an enclosed chamber. The water evaporates instantly, leaving spores and additive floating in space.

                  "Surface tension will pull those little [silica] particles together onto the big one," said California Institute of Technology chemical engineer Richard Flagan. "You will end up with some degree of coating."

                  Whoever made such an aerosol would "need some experience" with aerosols and "would have to have a lot of anthrax, so you could practice," Edwards said. "You'd have to do a lot of trial and error to get the particles you wanted." It would also help to have an electron microscope to examine the results.

                  This would mean at least several hundred thousand dollars worth of equipment, several experts said. Niro's cheapest spray dryer sells for about $50,000. Electron microscopes cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

                  In all, said Niro's Lancos, "you would need [a] chemist who is familiar with colloidal [fumed] silica, and a material science person to put it all together, and then some mechanical engineers to make this work . . . probably some containment people, if you don't want to kill anybody. You need half a dozen, I think, really smart people."

                  One way to assemble such a team would be with "the knowing complicity of the government of the state in which it [the agent] is made," Spertzel said. Another way to acquire the agent, several sources acknowledged, would be to steal it from a biodefense program that uses live biological agents for research or training purposes.

                  The Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention of 1972 bans offensive biowarfare research, but it clearly allows signatory nations to undertake biodefense programs using small quantities of live agents.

                  The Daschle and Leahy letters each contained 1.5 grams of anthrax powder or less, well within the boundaries of what researchers describe as "laboratory quantities" of agent. It is impossible to account publicly for all the anthrax powder that may exist in the United States, because most of the defense projects that use it are classified.

                  The Post asked the Defense Department whether the U.S. armed forces have made any anthrax powder comparable to that which was mailed to the Senate. The department declined to comment, citing the ongoing anthrax investigation.

                  There is, however, no public evidence that the Army has used spray-dried agents in recent biodefense projects, choosing instead to test small amounts of irradiated -- and therefore nonlethal -- anthrax bacteria that had been dried with older technologies.

                  In a written response to questions about the U.S. interpretation of the weapons convention, the Defense Department said its personnel may use live biological agents in a number of research settings: for vaccines and treatment; protective clothing and containment; alarms and detection; and decontamination.

                  The department "does not set quantitative thresholds for the agents or toxins in its possession," but "these quantities are generally small," the response said. "DOD continues to evaluate its procedures to ensure dangerous materials are safely stored and properly disposed of when no longer required." [/b][/quote]

                  Are you seriously claiming that Al Qaeda would not use anthrax if it could???

                  Bin Laden has stated he is trying to get chemical and nuclear weapons to kill as many Americans as possible.

                  Motives aside, the connection between the anthrax attacks and the 9/11 attackers strains the limits of coincidence. For example:

                  QUOTE
                  The first encounter with anthrax occurred in Holy Cross Hospital in Fort Lauderdale, Florida in June 2001. Ahmed Alhaznawi, who identified himself as a pilot, was brought to the emergency room by an associate, also claiming to be a pilot. The emergency was that he had an ugly, black lesion on his leg. Dr. Christos Tsonas examined it, but was unable to identify the pathogen involved since he had not previously seen a black lesion of that type. Alhaznawi told him it had been caused by a bump. So he prescribed an antibiotic for the infection.


                  In September, it was discovered that Ahmed Alhaznawi was one of the hijackers of United Airlines Flight 93. Dr. Tsonas prescription was found in his room in Florida.

                  In October, Dr. Tsonas was shown pictures of black lesions caused by anthrax by experts at the Johns Hopkins Center for Civilian Bio- defense Strategies. He concluded from these photos and other information about Anthrax that the lesion he had examined in June had been caused by handling anthrax. He stated for the record that the lesion "was consistent with cutaneous (skin) anthrax."

                  If so, Alhaznawi and his associate had lied to Dr. Tsonas to conceal their contact with Anthrax bacteria. This would suggest that at least two of the terrorist hijackers were involved in the first incident. [/b][/quote]
                  "I am for truth no matter who says it. I am for justice no matter who it is for or against."...Malcom X

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                  • #10
                    Yeah that makes sense. A backwards ass terrorist straight out of the desert in Afghanistan is able to make anthrax but no 1 scientist who worked with the shit his entire career is capable of making it?

                    Please the guy didn't have to make it we already have it. He took it from the labs he worked at.

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                    • #11
                      QUOTE(thetorch @ Sep 19 2005, 10:37 PM) Quoted post

                      Yeah that makes sense. A backwards ass terrorist straight out of the desert in Afghanistan is able to make anthrax but no 1 scientist who worked with the shit his entire career is capable of making it?

                      Please the guy didn't have to make it we already have it. He took it from the labs he worked at.
                      [/b][/quote]

                      Iraq made the anthrax. Al Qaeda delivered it.

                      The anthrax was incredibly sophisticated. This was weapons grade stuff that only 3 countries in the world were able to produce -- the US, Russia, and Iraq. The anthrax was not typical of US production. The emphasis on the Ames strain is meaningless -- almost *ALL* anthrax worldwide was developed from the Ames strain, including that known to be produced by Iraq. Iraq purchased samples from the US in May, 1986.

                      The "missing" anthrax is a red herring. It is pure speculation that any anthrax was missing. However, even if it was taken, it was in liquid form -- not the airborne anthrax that was used in the September 2001 attacks. A single scientist would need a minimum of a $100,000 lab and knowledge available to less than 50 people world wide to make the high grade anthrax used in the attacks.. That makes a pretty small suspect list. Had there been a single scientist the FBI should have picked him up within a week.

                      Yet, we are asked to believe that these coincidences are not significant:

                      - the weapons grade anthrax was released within days of the 9/11 attacks.

                      - the first person to die, Bob Stevens, an employee of American Media, lived one mile from where Mohamed Atta's team took flying lessons.

                      - 40 miles away Atta expressed an interest in renting a crop duster.

                      - Atta's team rented an apartment from a woman whose husband also worked at American Media.

                      - after 9/11 investigators found a prescription in the apartment of hijacker Ahmed al-Haznawi traced back to Holy Cross hospital. The attending physician, Dr. Christos Tsonas, told investigators he was treated for a lesion that he thought "was consistent with cutaneous anthrax." Investigators from John Hopkins confirmed his diaganosis.

                      - the pharmacist who filled the prescription, Chatterton, whose pharmacy is not far from AMI headquarters, recalled that Atta said, "My hands! my hands burn; they are itching."

                      - American Media, publisher of supermarket tabloids, had published a major article belittling Bin Laden. Reportedly, Ahmed al-Haznawi was infuriated by these articles.

                      - a Czech agent monitored a meeting between a known Iraqi intelligence agent, Ahmed Khalil Sar al-Ani, at the airport in Prague and an unknown man. Al-Ani reportedly passed the man a vial. The agent later identified the man as Mohamed Atta. Despite erroneous reports in the media to the contrary, Czech intelligence has never retracted this report.

                      - the anthrax was converted into an airborne weapon by using bentonite. ABC reported that at least five experts, as well as former U.N. inspectors that worked in Iraq, claimed that bentonite "was a trademark of the Iraqi germ warfare program."

                      A single scientist may have been responsible. Bu,t the most likely explanation is that Iraqi intelligence, run by Saddam's psycho son, passed a small quantity to Al Qaeda to be released simultaneously to the 9/11 attacks.
                      "I am for truth no matter who says it. I am for justice no matter who it is for or against."...Malcom X

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                      • #12
                        QUOTE(Jaws @ Sep 19 2005, 12:53 AM) Quoted post

                        The prime suspect is still Al Qaeda and Iraq.

                        You are asking the wrong questions, Torch. The real question is why the FBI keeps trying to pin these attacks on a domestic terrorist when all the evidence indicates otherwise. The trail has gone "cold" because the FBI persists in following a false profile - the disgruntled American scientist.
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                        Yeah, our government has certainly demonstrated on numerous occasions its hesitancy to blame our problems on foreign terrorists.

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                          QUOTE(InSighT @ Sep 20 2005, 01:20 AM) Quoted post

                          Yeah, our government has certainly demonstrated on numerous occasions its hesitancy to blame our problems on foreign terrorists.
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                          And foreign terrorists have certainly shown their hesitation to take responsibility for attacks on the United States.

                          Really. If Al Qaeda had had a hand in the anthrax attack they would have shouted it from the rooftops. Some people have no ability to think things through.
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                            QUOTE(Jaws @ Sep 20 2005, 03:01 AM) Quoted post
                            Yet, we are asked to believe that these coincidences are not significant:

                            - the weapons grade anthrax was released within days of the 9/11 attacks.

                            - the first person to die, Bob Stevens, an employee of American Media, lived one mile from where Mohamed Atta's team took flying lessons.

                            - 40 miles away Atta expressed an interest in renting a crop duster.

                            - Atta's team rented an apartment from a woman whose husband also worked at American Media.

                            - after 9/11 investigators found a prescription in the apartment of hijacker Ahmed al-Haznawi traced back to Holy Cross hospital. The attending physician, Dr. Christos Tsonas, told investigators he was treated for a lesion that he thought "was consistent with cutaneous anthrax." Investigators from John Hopkins confirmed his diaganosis.

                            - the pharmacist who filled the prescription, Chatterton, whose pharmacy is not far from AMI headquarters, recalled that Atta said, "My hands! my hands burn; they are itching."

                            - American Media, publisher of supermarket tabloids, had published a major article belittling Bin Laden. Reportedly, Ahmed al-Haznawi was infuriated by these articles.

                            - a Czech agent monitored a meeting between a known Iraqi intelligence agent, Ahmed Khalil Sar al-Ani, at the airport in Prague and an unknown man. Al-Ani reportedly passed the man a vial. The agent later identified the man as Mohamed Atta. Despite erroneous reports in the media to the contrary, Czech intelligence has never retracted this report.

                            - the anthrax was converted into an airborne weapon by using bentonite. ABC reported that at least five experts, as well as former U.N. inspectors that worked in Iraq, claimed that bentonite "was a trademark of the Iraqi germ warfare program."

                            A single scientist may have been responsible. Bu,t the most likely explanation is that Iraqi intelligence, run by Saddam's psycho son, passed a small quantity to Al Qaeda to be released simultaneously to the 9/11 attacks.
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                            Jaws,

                            Your list is full of lots of "coincidences" and "reportedlies" - which begs the question:

                            What makes your conspiracy theory more believable than torch's?

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                              QUOTE(King @ Sep 20 2005, 04:26 AM) Quoted post

                              Jaws,

                              Your list is full of lots of "coincidences" and "reportedlies" - which begs the question:

                              What makes your conspiracy theory more believable than torch's?
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