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  • Leading in HR, RBI and making the playoffs means MVP

    Everyone knows that I think it would be laughable if Andruw Jones actually won the MVP but, for my own knowledge, I decided to do a little research. I wanted to know how many guys have led his league in both and homers and RBI, and also made the playoffs, in the same season. And I wanted to know how many of these guys won the MVP (since 1931, when the award was established by the BBWAA). I wanted to know this because barring a surge by someone else combined with a collapse of his own, Andruw Jones is going to lead the NL in both categories and his team is going to the playoffs.

    The results aren't unsurprising.

    There have been 20 such players and 17 have won the MVP. The three exceptions are both Albert Belle and Dante Bichette in 1995 and Larry Doby in 1954.

    It has been suggested that the voters penalized Belle for being a dick and I have to say, I think that's probably true. The only category in which the actual MVP, Mo Vaughn, was even comparable to Belle was RBI, where they tied with 126. Belle had a higher batting average (.317 to 300), hit more homers (50 to 39), a higher slugging percentage (.690 to .575), a better OBP (.401 to .388), and scored more runs (121 to 98). Belle led the AL in slugging, runs, homers, RBI, total bases, doubles, and extra base hits, yet somehow didn't win it. I think it's pretty clear why. Well, there's no documented instances of Andruw Jones being a dick to the media to help Pujols' case.

    Dante Bichette was penalized because he played in the thin air of Denver. Of his 40 homers, 36 came at home. Unlike Larry Walker in 1997, whose numbers were outstanding on the road, Bichette's were mediocre on the road so the voters determined he wasn't really that good and that his numbers were artifically inflated.

    As for Doby, my first instinct is to say that at the time the voters wouldn't vote for a black player. But with that in mind, Jackie Robinson won in 1949. So I'm not sure entirely about his case.

    David Ortiz leads the AL in both homers and RBI. He stands a much better chance of being the fourth exception to this than Jones does because he's a DH and will undoubtedly lose some votes because of it.

    Anyway, unfortunately, my conclusion is that Jones is going to be the MVP, no matter how much more deserving Pujols is.

    THIS LIST (led league in homers, RBI, and made the playoffs)
    1997-A - Ken Griffey, Jr.
    1995-N - Dante Bichette (MVP: Barry Larkin)
    1995-A - Albert Belle (MVP: Mo Vaughn)
    1989-N - Kevin Mitchell
    1988-A - Jose Canseco
    1981-N - Mike Schmidt
    1980-N - Mike Schmidt
    1973-A - Reggie Jackson
    1972-N - Johnny Bench
    1970-N - Johnny Bench
    1969-A - Harmon Killebrew
    1967-A - Carl Yastrzemski (tied for lead in homers)
    1966-A - Frank Robinson
    1961-A - Roger Maris
    1957-N - Hank Aaron
    1956-A - Mickey Mantle
    1954-A - Larry Doby (MVP: Yogi Berra)
    1941-N - Dolph Camilli
    1940-A - Hank Greenberg
    1935-A - Hank Greenberg (tied for lead in homers)

  • #2
    It's the word "value"....
    To many people Andruw has been more valuable to Atlanta than Pujols has been to St. Louis.
    Pujols may be the better player, might have a better average, but those two things don't mean Value.

    I think it's gonna be a close vote, and who ever wins deserves it.
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    • #3
      The "Most Valuable Player" award ought to be changed to "Best Player" award. Then we can do away with all of this nonsense over "value."

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      • #4
        As long as Albert is shown holding the one trophy that truly counts, then they can take the MVP award, and stick it.
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        • #5
          QUOTE(The Kev @ Sep 16 2005, 07:20 AM) Quoted post

          As long as Albert is shown holding the one trophy that truly counts, then they can take the MVP award, and stick it.
          [/b][/quote]
          IF.

          I agree, Kev. But if he doesn't he, again, is left holding nothing for yet another trememdous year of efforts.

          Jones will undoubtedly win 2 of the 3 triple crown categories. Sadly, the MVP is definitely his to lose. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img]

          Although receiving his weekly check helps soothe the sting, I'm sure.
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          • #6
            Don't get me wrong, I hope AP wins the MVP. But IMO, that award is a joke. Having Dawson win it for a last place team in 87, has left a permament bad taste in my mouth, in regards to what it truly stands for.
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            • #7
              QUOTE(devaskar @ Sep 16 2005, 03:44 AM) Quoted post

              THIS LIST (led league in homers, RBI, and made the playoffs)
              1997-A - Ken Griffey, Jr.
              1995-N - Dante Bichette (MVP: Barry Larkin)
              1995-A - Albert Belle (MVP: Mo Vaughn)
              1989-N - Kevin Mitchell
              1988-A - Jose Canseco
              1981-N - Mike Schmidt
              1980-N - Mike Schmidt
              1973-A - Reggie Jackson
              1972-N - Johnny Bench
              1970-N - Johnny Bench

              1969-A - Harmon Killebrew
              1967-A - Carl Yastrzemski (tied for lead in homers)
              1966-A - Frank Robinson
              1961-A - Roger Maris
              1957-N - Hank Aaron
              1956-A - Mickey Mantle

              1954-A - Larry Doby (MVP: Yogi Berra)
              1941-N - Dolph Camilli
              1940-A - Hank Greenberg
              1935-A - Hank Greenberg (tied for lead in homers)
              [/b][/quote]

              Another way of digesting those numbers is to say that 14 of those 20 players was the best player on the best team, just like Albert. If we include Belle (who, as noted, was really the MVP), it's 15/20.

              If you throw out 1981 and 1995, and I think you should, it's 14/18.

              So, out of 18 times the HR/RBI leader has won the MVP, only 4 times was it won by the guy not considered to be the best player on the best team.

              Prediction: The late media push for Jones may enable him to jump over Lee for second place.

              Albert will win the MVP.
              But wait. There is something that can be done afterall. My good friend Angelo is a cop in the Tampa/Clearwater area. Since I kept all of the files from the access logs when I had the power to see them, guess what, I have everyone's IP addresses. Hmm..what can I do w/ those??
              ...

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              • #8
                It's time for Andruw to drop a urine sample.
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                • #9
                  QUOTE(madyaks @ Sep 16 2005, 04:04 AM) Quoted post

                  It's the word "value"....
                  To many people Andruw has been more valuable to Atlanta than Pujols has been to St. Louis.
                  Pujols may be the better player, might have a better average, but those two things don't mean Value.

                  I think it's gonna be a close vote, and who ever wins deserves it.
                  [/b][/quote]

                  Don't know if I agree with this. Take Pujols out of this lineup and because of all the injuries, you're looking at a AAA lineup for most of the season.
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                  • #10
                    QUOTE(ElviswasaBluesFan @ Sep 16 2005, 08:17 AM) Quoted post

                    QUOTE(madyaks @ Sep 16 2005, 04:04 AM) Quoted post

                    It's the word "value"....
                    To many people Andruw has been more valuable to Atlanta than Pujols has been to St. Louis.
                    Pujols may be the better player, might have a better average, but those two things don't mean Value.

                    I think it's gonna be a close vote, and who ever wins deserves it.
                    [/b][/quote]

                    Don't know if I agree with this. Take Pujols out of this lineup and because of all the injuries, you're looking at a AAA lineup for most of the season.
                    [/b][/quote]
                    that's correct.
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                    • #11
                      Pujols has been the better player than Jones all season, therefore he's provided more value to his team all season. It's as simple as that really.

                      Now Lee vs. Pujols is another discussion.

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                      • #12
                        plus if you play bad, I think Pujols beats you up. he gives incentives to his team mates to play good.
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                        • #13
                          QUOTE(cardinalgirl @ Sep 16 2005, 09:12 AM) Quoted post

                          plus if you play bad, I think Pujols beats you up. he gives incentives to his team mates to play good.
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                          Ray King would be sporting a few black eyes if that was the case.

                          I see this scenario coming. The World Series on the line. Ray King coming in.

                          I'll puke..
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                          • #14
                            QUOTE(lasvegasreb @ Sep 16 2005, 09:15 AM) Quoted post

                            QUOTE(cardinalgirl @ Sep 16 2005, 09:12 AM) Quoted post

                            plus if you play bad, I think Pujols beats you up. he gives incentives to his team mates to play good.
                            [/b][/quote]

                            Ray King would be sporting a few black eyes if that was the case.
                            [/b][/quote]
                            you have an unhealthy obsession with Ray King.

                            Also, read what you wrote again please.

                            puking is good for the ol' stomach muscles so stfu.
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                            • #15
                              We all know that the only thing that matters in MVP voting is OPS.
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