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    Dude. Can. Fly.

  • #2
    QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Sep 15 2005, 11:46 PM) Quoted post

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    Sorry, more interested in this...

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    He sent this to me, unsolicited.
    He's a senior research analyst for STATS Inc.
    Here goes...

    (begin)
    It seems as though Andruw Jones’ MVP candidacy is gaining momentum, as several prominent observers evidently have become infatuated with his home runs and RBI. But what I can’t understand is why those analysts seem to be putting so much more value on the RBI than the actual run scored.

    Sure, Jones has 16 more RBI than Albert Pujols (125-109), but Pujols has scored 26 more runs (117-91). And only 41 of those 91 runs that Jones has scored resulted from something other than his own home run, while 78 of Pujols’ 117 have. Put another way, Jones has wound up crossing the plate just 20.7 percent of the time he’s reached base (excluding home runs), the third lowest rate in the National League, while Pujols has done so 30.8 percent of the time, ranking 11th best.

    And Jones has been abysmal when batting with runners in scoring position, when he’s posted a .224 batting average, more than 100 points lower than Pujols’ .328 mark. So why does Jones have so many RBI? Because his teammates have given him so many opportunities to drive them in. No on in the majors has batted with as many runners in scoring position:

    RISP For PA, 2005

    Andruw Jones, Atl 246

    Alex Rodriguez, NYY 236

    Pat Burrell, Phi 236

    Carlos Lee, Mil 224

    Hideki Matsui, NYY 223

    Manny Ramirez, Bos 220

    David Ortiz, Bos 217

    Adrian Beltre, Sea 215

    Miguel Cabrera, Fla 215

    For the sake of comparison, Pujols has had 200 runners in scoring position for his plate appearances.

    One other note regarding Jones’ defense, for which he’s earned well-deserved respect in years past. But his range, measured by putouts per nine innings, has declined in every season but one since 1999, when he recorded 3.07 putouts per nine innings. It’s down to 2.35 in 2005, which ranks in the bottom third of National League center fielders. I’m not going to try to claim he’s no longer a valuable outfielder, but I do think it’s clear he’s no longer the exceptional defender he once was. I hope MVP voters will consider his true defensive value, and not his reputation. Heck, Albert has even shown more flash as a base runner this season, with 15 stolen bases compared to Jones’ three.

    There have been worse players to win the MVP award than Jones, should he be so honored this season. I just hope the voters make a measured choice, and aren’t simply mesmerized by a couple of gaudy totals, one of which was accumulated with significant help from his teammates. A little perspective might be helpful.

    (endit)

    --B [/b][/quote]

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    • #3
      Thread hijack: Just got off the phone with Steve in Chicago.

      He said to let you know you are still a douche.
      Dude. Can. Fly.

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      • #4
        QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Sep 15 2005, 11:57 PM) Quoted post

        Thread hijack: Just got off the phone with Steve in Chicago.

        He said to let you know you are still a douche.
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        Oh yeah?

        time to hack his account [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif[/img]

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        • #5
          Back on topic: if Bernie is so bluntly tearing the Rams a new one for two of their top three picks, then things must be awful. WTF is Shaw doing to ensure the on-field product is decent? Did the Rams not profit enough from their SB seasons that they understand the value of actually being a good team?

          Sometimes I wonder if Shaw isn't waiting for the Rams contract to expire so they can move the team back to LA.
          On my mind: How can I shut up the singing English graduate student? How many more lossess will KU's basketball team have than its football team? How will the Rams front office screw up this year?


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          • #6
            QUOTE(chiguy @ Sep 16 2005, 04:32 AM) Quoted post

            Back on topic: if Bernie is so bluntly tearing the Rams a new one for two of their top three picks, then things must be awful. WTF is Shaw doing to ensure the on-field product is decent? Did the Rams not profit enough from their SB seasons that they understand the value of actually being a good team?

            Sometimes I wonder if Shaw isn't waiting for the Rams contract to expire so they can move the team back to LA.
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            • #7
              QUOTE(chiguy @ Sep 16 2005, 05:32 AM) Quoted post

              Back on topic: if Bernie is so bluntly tearing the Rams a new one for two of their top three picks, then things must be awful. WTF is Shaw doing to ensure the on-field product is decent? Did the Rams not profit enough from their SB seasons that they understand the value of actually being a good team?

              Sometimes I wonder if Shaw isn't waiting for the Rams contract to expire so they can move the team back to LA.
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              I think Bernie is cool with Barron, just that he needs to play more. But yeah, Bartell may never play a down.
              Dude. Can. Fly.

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              • #8
                Add the Barron experiment to the list of 5 things Martz has screwed up. You draft a guy #1 and appoint him as your starter at RT. Then, after he finally signs you start playing him as a backup at LT, knowing the guy was already lost after minicamp. If he is already struggling, why make it more difficult by starting him on the left side only to move him to the right side later? Throw his ass in there everyday in practice on the right side until it clicks.
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                • #9
                  QUOTE(ElviswasaBluesFan @ Sep 16 2005, 08:21 AM) Quoted post

                  Add the Barron experiment to the list of 5 things Martz has screwed up. You draft a guy #1 and appoint him as your starter at RT. Then, after he finally signs you start playing him as a backup at LT, knowing the guy was already lost after minicamp. If he is already struggling, why make it more difficult by starting him on the left side only to move him to the right side later? Throw his ass in there everyday in practice on the right side until it clicks.
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                  I honestly don't have a problem with the way the Barron situation was handled. He has to get used to playing at NFL speed as well as the position switch.

                  In training camp, they slowly ramp up to game speed, and he may have been able to handle both transitions at once. Once it wasy clear that he was going to miss the majority of training camp, they decided to bring him up to game speed first (and get at least some immediate value out of him as the backup at his natural position) before asking him to play a position he'd never played before.

                  I'm fine with the One Step at a Time approach. There's plenty more legitimate things that can be criticized this year.

                  -RBB

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                  • #10
                    QUOTE(*007* @ Sep 15 2005, 10:53 PM) Quoted post

                    QUOTE(dvyyyyyy @ Sep 15 2005, 11:46 PM) Quoted post

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                    Sorry, more interested in this...

                    QUOTE
                    He sent this to me, unsolicited.
                    He's a senior research analyst for STATS Inc.
                    Here goes...

                    (begin)
                    It seems as though Andruw Jones’ MVP candidacy is gaining momentum, as several prominent observers evidently have become infatuated with his home runs and RBI. But what I can’t understand is why those analysts seem to be putting so much more value on the RBI than the actual run scored.

                    Sure, Jones has 16 more RBI than Albert Pujols (125-109), but Pujols has scored 26 more runs (117-91). And only 41 of those 91 runs that Jones has scored resulted from something other than his own home run, while 78 of Pujols’ 117 have. Put another way, Jones has wound up crossing the plate just 20.7 percent of the time he’s reached base (excluding home runs), the third lowest rate in the National League, while Pujols has done so 30.8 percent of the time, ranking 11th best.

                    And Jones has been abysmal when batting with runners in scoring position, when he’s posted a .224 batting average, more than 100 points lower than Pujols’ .328 mark. So why does Jones have so many RBI? Because his teammates have given him so many opportunities to drive them in. No on in the majors has batted with as many runners in scoring position:

                    RISP For PA, 2005

                    Andruw Jones, Atl 246

                    Alex Rodriguez, NYY 236

                    Pat Burrell, Phi 236

                    Carlos Lee, Mil 224

                    Hideki Matsui, NYY 223

                    Manny Ramirez, Bos 220

                    David Ortiz, Bos 217

                    Adrian Beltre, Sea 215

                    Miguel Cabrera, Fla 215

                    For the sake of comparison, Pujols has had 200 runners in scoring position for his plate appearances.

                    One other note regarding Jones’ defense, for which he’s earned well-deserved respect in years past. But his range, measured by putouts per nine innings, has declined in every season but one since 1999, when he recorded 3.07 putouts per nine innings. It’s down to 2.35 in 2005, which ranks in the bottom third of National League center fielders. I’m not going to try to claim he’s no longer a valuable outfielder, but I do think it’s clear he’s no longer the exceptional defender he once was. I hope MVP voters will consider his true defensive value, and not his reputation. Heck, Albert has even shown more flash as a base runner this season, with 15 stolen bases compared to Jones’ three.

                    There have been worse players to win the MVP award than Jones, should he be so honored this season. I just hope the voters make a measured choice, and aren’t simply mesmerized by a couple of gaudy totals, one of which was accumulated with significant help from his teammates. A little perspective might be helpful.

                    (endit)

                    --B [/b][/quote]

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                    how INsightful..................[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

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                    • #11
                      I was giving odds in the GDT thread Barron would be taking snaps at RT this week.


                      I never saw the logic in having him play LT first to get comfortable. They drafted him to play RT, not LT...have him play there.
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