Cards give Hunter ok to seek deal

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[OldSchoolStroker]

somebody please get the mckay kid on a boat to memphis and bring my boy Mabry to the big city...

[kah2523]

Lots of other good info in that article. Poor Cal Eldred, leads the bullpen in IP last year and gets left off a video game.

[Jack Daniels]

Originally posted by OldSchoolStroker@Apr 3 2004, 12:50 AM
somebody please get the mckay kid on a boat to memphis and bring my boy Mabry to the big city...

Ain't happenin'. McKay's daddy & is TLR's Goombah...Even if he's a Canuck.

[Weird_English_Guy]

Originally posted by kah2523@Apr 3 2004, 12:57 AM
Lots of other good info in that article. Poor Cal Eldred, leads the bullpen in IP last year and gets left off a video game.

He's in my game, you just have to go to the Memphis roster to find him. Unfortunately poor C.J. won't be able to pitch against Barry Bonds.

[jhuegy]

Originally posted by Weird_English_Guy+Apr 3 2004, 07:01 AM-->

QUOTE (Weird_English_Guy @ Apr 3 2004, 07:01 AM)

Weird_English_Guy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2172 Share Tweet #7 04-03-2004, 06:27 AM Originally posted by jhuegy+Apr 3 2004, 07:09 AM--> QUOTE (jhuegy @ Apr 3 2004, 07:09 AM) Originally posted by Weird_English_Guy@Apr 3 2004, 07:01 AM Razzy The White Raz Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 27625 Share Tweet #8 04-03-2004, 06:48 AM We could have had Milton Bradley for Dan Haren??? And we turned it down??? Bradley would have been a great fit for this club as long as attitude was good. He could have been the starting left fielder, and eventually taken over in center when Edmonds leaves. Haren may or may not pan out. Bradley is a stud. Cant believe that they didnt consider doing this deal. “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.” Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in. Comment Post Cancel kah2523 Share Tweet #9 04-03-2004, 07:24 AM Originally posted by Razzy@Apr 3 2004, 07:48 AM Bradley would have been a great fit for this club as long as attitude was good. Which it never has been, apparently, to the point where Cleveland is sick to death of him. While Bradley is still young, it bears noting that last year was the first time he played more than 100 games (he got 101), and his .922 OPS last year was preceded by .613, .620, and .723. If Haren hasn't panned out yet, surely Bradley hasn't panned out either. And if the Cardinals really think Haren is going to be a solid starter, maybe a trade for Bradley isn't such a great idea. Comment Post Cancel Razzy The White Raz Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 27625 Share Tweet #10 04-03-2004, 07:30 AM Kah, Bradley has long been a touted prospect, and until last year, he hadnt lived up to the billing. But his plate discipline improved drastically last year, and it led to a career year. There is no reason at all to believe that he would revert back to his previous years forms, when it was obvious that he was still developing. He is only 25 years old and 3 years (I think) away from free agency. He would have been a cheap talent for us that Walt and TLR seem to have a great deal of difficulty finding. Haren is a good prospect, but he isnt any better than the other top guys that the Cardinals have in their system. But you are right, maybe his attitude is so bad that he wont fit in anywhere. I still think he is a guy that you stick in left field and leave him the hell alone and let him rake. “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.” Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in. Comment Post Cancel kah2523 Share Tweet #11 04-03-2004, 07:39 AM I would be hesitant to make this deal. The dude certainly has burned every last bridge in Cleveland, and I wouldn't think a team that went 68-94 last year would be eager to get rid of a talented outfielder. I think it boils down to what they expect of Dan Haren. If they think Haren's a back of the rotation type, then do the deal. If they think Haren can become, say, a #2 starter, I say keep him. Comment Post Cancel Neutered Cat Recently set free! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 8383 Share Tweet #12 04-03-2004, 08:52 AM Personally, I wouldn´t want Bradley´s attitude on the team. But the skills he brings to the table, along with his cheap salary would be tempting, though. I think Haren can turn out to be a really good pitcher. He was rushed out there last year in a situation that put a lot of pressure on him to succeed, given that no one else was pitching well at the time. He needs to build up his pitching endurance definitely, but i would still like to see him throw a little more to make a decision on whether to use him for trade bait. Now, if we fast forward to around July 31st, 2004, and this team needs a top starter to complement the rotation and compete in the playoffs, then I would say Haren should be available. Comment Post Cancel joe_w Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 7396 Share Tweet #13 04-03-2004, 09:05 AM How stupid is Brian Hunter? If he had kept his mouth shut, gone to Memphis, hit the ball and run the bases, he would probably have been our starting left fielder by May 15. As it is, he'll sniff around for somewhere to put him on their roster as a fifth outfielder for whom he'll get all of 13 at bats before they cut him in June. Meanwhile, the Cards will come up with someone else to play left (So, Mabry, Emil - maybe this will be Colin Porter's big chance). Anyway, Hunter's best opportunity was here. And he tossed it away. That's why patience is a godly virtue. This game's gotta be played with fear and arrogance - Crash Davis Comment Post Cancel Damtoft Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 7867 Share Tweet #14 04-03-2004, 09:32 AM No one's ever accused Hunter of being intelligent. And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me. -The Artist formerly known as King in KC Comment Post Cancel TTB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 50788 Share Tweet #15 04-03-2004, 03:41 PM Originally posted by Damtoft@Apr 3 2004, 10:32 AM No one's ever accused Hunter of being intelligent. Or any good. Go Cards ...12 in 13. 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[Weird_English_Guy]

Originally posted by jhuegy+Apr 3 2004, 07:09 AM-->

QUOTE (jhuegy @ Apr 3 2004, 07:09 AM)

Originally posted by Weird_English_Guy@Apr 3 2004, 07:01 AM Razzy The White Raz Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 27625 Share Tweet #8 04-03-2004, 06:48 AM We could have had Milton Bradley for Dan Haren??? And we turned it down??? Bradley would have been a great fit for this club as long as attitude was good. He could have been the starting left fielder, and eventually taken over in center when Edmonds leaves. Haren may or may not pan out. Bradley is a stud. Cant believe that they didnt consider doing this deal. “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.” Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in. Comment Post Cancel kah2523 Share Tweet #9 04-03-2004, 07:24 AM Originally posted by Razzy@Apr 3 2004, 07:48 AM Bradley would have been a great fit for this club as long as attitude was good. Which it never has been, apparently, to the point where Cleveland is sick to death of him. While Bradley is still young, it bears noting that last year was the first time he played more than 100 games (he got 101), and his .922 OPS last year was preceded by .613, .620, and .723. If Haren hasn't panned out yet, surely Bradley hasn't panned out either. And if the Cardinals really think Haren is going to be a solid starter, maybe a trade for Bradley isn't such a great idea. Comment Post Cancel Razzy The White Raz Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 27625 Share Tweet #10 04-03-2004, 07:30 AM Kah, Bradley has long been a touted prospect, and until last year, he hadnt lived up to the billing. But his plate discipline improved drastically last year, and it led to a career year. There is no reason at all to believe that he would revert back to his previous years forms, when it was obvious that he was still developing. He is only 25 years old and 3 years (I think) away from free agency. He would have been a cheap talent for us that Walt and TLR seem to have a great deal of difficulty finding. Haren is a good prospect, but he isnt any better than the other top guys that the Cardinals have in their system. But you are right, maybe his attitude is so bad that he wont fit in anywhere. I still think he is a guy that you stick in left field and leave him the hell alone and let him rake. “I’ve always stated, ‘I’m a Missouri Tiger,’” Anderson said March 13 after Arkansas fired John Pelphrey, adding, “I’m excited about what’s taking place here.” Asked then if he would talk to his players about the situation, he said, “They know me, and that’s where the trust comes in. Comment Post Cancel kah2523 Share Tweet #11 04-03-2004, 07:39 AM I would be hesitant to make this deal. The dude certainly has burned every last bridge in Cleveland, and I wouldn't think a team that went 68-94 last year would be eager to get rid of a talented outfielder. I think it boils down to what they expect of Dan Haren. If they think Haren's a back of the rotation type, then do the deal. If they think Haren can become, say, a #2 starter, I say keep him. Comment Post Cancel Neutered Cat Recently set free! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 8383 Share Tweet #12 04-03-2004, 08:52 AM Personally, I wouldn´t want Bradley´s attitude on the team. But the skills he brings to the table, along with his cheap salary would be tempting, though. I think Haren can turn out to be a really good pitcher. He was rushed out there last year in a situation that put a lot of pressure on him to succeed, given that no one else was pitching well at the time. He needs to build up his pitching endurance definitely, but i would still like to see him throw a little more to make a decision on whether to use him for trade bait. Now, if we fast forward to around July 31st, 2004, and this team needs a top starter to complement the rotation and compete in the playoffs, then I would say Haren should be available. Comment Post Cancel joe_w Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 7396 Share Tweet #13 04-03-2004, 09:05 AM How stupid is Brian Hunter? If he had kept his mouth shut, gone to Memphis, hit the ball and run the bases, he would probably have been our starting left fielder by May 15. As it is, he'll sniff around for somewhere to put him on their roster as a fifth outfielder for whom he'll get all of 13 at bats before they cut him in June. Meanwhile, the Cards will come up with someone else to play left (So, Mabry, Emil - maybe this will be Colin Porter's big chance). Anyway, Hunter's best opportunity was here. And he tossed it away. That's why patience is a godly virtue. This game's gotta be played with fear and arrogance - Crash Davis Comment Post Cancel Damtoft Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 7867 Share Tweet #14 04-03-2004, 09:32 AM No one's ever accused Hunter of being intelligent. And, frankly, it has never occured to me that "winning" a debate is important, or that I should be hurt when someone like Airshark or kah, among others (for whom winning a pseudo debate or declaring intellectual superiority over invisible others is obviously very important) ridicule me. -The Artist formerly known as King in KC Comment Post Cancel TTB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 50788 Share Tweet #15 04-03-2004, 03:41 PM Originally posted by Damtoft@Apr 3 2004, 10:32 AM No one's ever accused Hunter of being intelligent. Or any good. Go Cards ...12 in 13. 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[Razzy]

We could have had Milton Bradley for Dan Haren???

And we turned it down???

Bradley would have been a great fit for this club as long as attitude was good. He could have been the starting left fielder, and eventually taken over in center when Edmonds leaves.

Haren may or may not pan out. Bradley is a stud. Cant believe that they didnt consider doing this deal.

[kah2523]

Originally posted by Razzy@Apr 3 2004, 07:48 AM
Bradley would have been a great fit for this club as long as attitude was good.

Which it never has been, apparently, to the point where Cleveland is sick to death of him.

While Bradley is still young, it bears noting that last year was the first time he played more than 100 games (he got 101), and his .922 OPS last year was preceded by .613, .620, and .723.

If Haren hasn't panned out yet, surely Bradley hasn't panned out either. And if the Cardinals really think Haren is going to be a solid starter, maybe a trade for Bradley isn't such a great idea.

[Razzy]

Kah,

Bradley has long been a touted prospect, and until last year, he hadnt lived up to the billing. But his plate discipline improved drastically last year, and it led to a career year. There is no reason at all to believe that he would revert back to his previous years forms, when it was obvious that he was still developing. He is only 25 years old and 3 years (I think) away from free agency. He would have been a cheap talent for us that Walt and TLR seem to have a great deal of difficulty finding.

Haren is a good prospect, but he isnt any better than the other top guys that the Cardinals have in their system.

But you are right, maybe his attitude is so bad that he wont fit in anywhere. I still think he is a guy that you stick in left field and leave him the hell alone and let him rake.

[kah2523]

I would be hesitant to make this deal. The dude certainly has burned every last bridge in Cleveland, and I wouldn't think a team that went 68-94 last year would be eager to get rid of a talented outfielder.

I think it boils down to what they expect of Dan Haren. If they think Haren's a back of the rotation type, then do the deal. If they think Haren can become, say, a #2 starter, I say keep him.

[Neutered Cat]

Personally, I wouldn´t want Bradley´s attitude on the team. But the skills he brings to the table, along with his cheap salary would be tempting, though.

I think Haren can turn out to be a really good pitcher. He was rushed out there last year in a situation that put a lot of pressure on him to succeed, given that no one else was pitching well at the time. He needs to build up his pitching endurance definitely, but i would still like to see him throw a little more to make a decision on whether to use him for trade bait. Now, if we fast forward to around July 31st, 2004, and this team needs a top starter to complement the rotation and compete in the playoffs, then I would say Haren should be available.

[joe_w]

How stupid is Brian Hunter?

If he had kept his mouth shut, gone to Memphis, hit the ball and run the bases, he would probably have been our starting left fielder by May 15.

As it is, he'll sniff around for somewhere to put him on their roster as a fifth outfielder for whom he'll get all of 13 at bats before they cut him in June.

Meanwhile, the Cards will come up with someone else to play left (So, Mabry, Emil - maybe this will be Colin Porter's big chance).

Anyway, Hunter's best opportunity was here. And he tossed it away.

That's why patience is a godly virtue.

[Damtoft]

No one's ever accused Hunter of being intelligent.

[TTB]

Originally posted by Damtoft@Apr 3 2004, 10:32 AM
No one's ever accused Hunter of being intelligent.

Or any good.