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    Supporting the CIA report about Iraq being a better training ground than Afghanistan...now the Iraqi-trained insurgents are training the Afghans and Pakistanis.

    Good work, Mr. Bush, let's hit 'em where it counts!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/22/internat...artner=homepage

    G.I. Death Toll in Afghanistan Worst Since '01

    By CARLOTTA GALL
    Published: August 22, 2005

    KABUL, Afghanistan, Aug. 21 - This year is already the deadliest for American soldiers in Afghanistan since the war of 2001, and the violence is likely to intensify before the nation's legislative elections on Sept. 18.

    A bodyguard secured the King's Palace of Jalalabad Sunday before President Hamid Karzai arrived.


    Four soldiers were killed Sunday, meaning that 13 have been killed in August alone. Sixty-five Americans have been killed this year.

    The latest four were killed when a roadside bomb hit their vehicle in the south. Three others were wounded in that bombing, the American military said. And two United States Embassy employees were wounded when their convoy was hit by an explosion close to Kabul, the capital, the military said.

    While some fighters want to disrupt the elections, one Afghan general said others are coming in to help the ousted Taliban or Al Qaeda with the long-term aim of dislodging American troops from Afghanistan.

    "The fact that fighters come across the border, that cannot be denied," the Afghan defense minister, Gen. Abdur Rahim Wardak, said in a recent interview. "There are more people crossing on mountain trails" connected to Pakistan, he said. Most of those coming in are described as Afghans, but others are said to be Pakistanis. General Wardak said the Taliban were saying they had acquired new antiaircraft missiles.

    A senior security official said Al Qaeda was paying renewed attention to the country this year.

    More money is coming in, probably from Arab countries, and a unit of Qaeda fighters has returned to the region from Iraq to teach local fighters an unspecified "new tactic they learned in Iraq," one security official said, explaining that he could not be identified because of the clandestine nature of his work.

    While election workers and candidates have been attacked, the violence has spread wider, with the killings of more than six clerics and tribal elders since May. On Sunday, a cleric and another man were killed outside a district mosque, the latest of several attacks on pro-government clergy in which Taliban insurgents are suspected.

    More than 40 Afghan National Army soldiers have been killed in combat since March, the defense minister said. And more than 50 policemen were killed in June and July, Interior Ministry figures show.

    A total of 181 American soldiers have died in Afghanistan since military operations began in October 2001, more than 100 of them in attacks. One of the worst attacks took place in June, when 19 Americans died in the ambush of a Navy Seal team and the downing of a helicopter.

    Foreign fighters from Pakistan and Central Asian states, and even from the Middle East and North Africa, have also been coming in, General Wardak said. "Dozens have been captured in the last two to three months," he said.

    The soldiers killed Sunday were taking part in an operation to disrupt enemy forces in the Deychopan district of Zabul Province, an area of continued Taliban activity, the American military said in a statement. The three wounded men were injured in secondary explosions from ammunition in the stricken vehicle as they tried to save the men inside, it said.

    The attack on the embassy convoy was perhaps more surprising, because it occurred close to Kabul, and was the first such attack in the area and on United States Embassy personnel in Afghanistan. The vehicle hit was part of a two-car convoy traveling on routine embassy business, said the embassy spokesman, Lou Fintor.

    "Two Americans experienced minor injuries in the explosion and have been treated," he said. "The incident is under investigation."

    The attack occurred on a dirt road in Paghman, a district west of Kabul. Although the area is known for its armed militias and thieves, no previous roadside bombings had occurred there.

    A local television station showed videotape of the damaged American vehicle, with its hood blown off and the windscreen sprayed with dirt, but Afghan officials said that because it was an armored vehicle the passengers suffered only minor injuries.

    Another Afghan security official, who asked not to be identified because he was not permitted to speak to reporters, said he suspected that Taliban elements were responsible rather than local militias, adding that the Taliban had supporters in every area.

    In other incidents, Maulavi Abdullah Malang, the leader of the religious council in Panjwai district in Kandahar Province, and a supporter of the Afghan government, and a villager were fatally shot outside his mosque before dawn prayers on Sunday, Niaz Muhammad Sarhadi, the local district chief, said in a telephone interview.

    Three men on a motorbike were seen fleeing the scene, he said. He blamed Taliban supporters for the attack. "They do not want people to cooperate with the government," he said. "They do not want good people and educated people."

    Two Afghan policemen were also killed in Oruzgan, an adjacent province, and two fuel trucks destined for an American military base were ignited in Kunar Province in the east, The Associated Press reported.

    Afghan officials said they expected more violence, in the form of bombings in major cities, assassinations of candidates and election officials and other "soft" targets, and armed attacks on polling stations or local government offices in some areas. Pakistanis who were arrested recently and Taliban fighters who surrendered to the government under an amnesty program described similar plans in recent interviews.

    The Afghan officials said it was increasingly clear in recent weeks that the elections were not the only target,++ and they accused Pakistan, in particular, of supporting a long-term strategy of destabilization in Afghanistan to keep the country weak. "Maybe they see a stable Afghanistan as a threat to themselves," the security official said.
    No president wants war. Everything you may have heard is that, but it's just simply not true
    President George W. Bush, March 21, 2006

    I'm a war president
    President George W. Bush, February 8, 2004

  • #2
    A senior security official said Al Qaeda was paying renewed attention to the country this year.
    Bring 'em on!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by King@Aug 21 2005, 10:17 PM
      A senior security official said Al Qaeda was paying renewed attention to the country this year.
      Bring 'em on!

      Yeah!! Bring 'em on!!! Right to Kansas City!!!!

      Sometimes I wonder Mr. King....

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Celtic+Aug 21 2005, 10:19 PM-->
        QUOTE(Celtic @ Aug 21 2005, 10:19 PM)

      • #5
        and a unit of Qaeda fighters has returned to the region from Iraq
        Did you miss the word "returned?"

        Or, as I assume, is the significance supposed to be that these professional killers learned a new "technique" in Iraq that they couldn't have learned somewhere else, or would not bothered to have learned except for Iraq?

        We'd better call the whole thing off. This is too hard for us.

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        • #6
          Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Aug 21 2005, 11:09 PM
          and a unit of Qaeda fighters has returned to the region from Iraq
          Did you miss the word "returned?"

          Or, as I assume, is the significance supposed to be that these professional killers learned a new "technique" in Iraq that they couldn't have learned somewhere else, or would not bothered to have learned except for Iraq?

          We'd better call the whole thing off. This is too hard for us.
          Learning a new technique only implies that it wasn't learned previously. Not that it couldn't have been learned previously.
          No president wants war. Everything you may have heard is that, but it's just simply not true
          President George W. Bush, March 21, 2006

          I'm a war president
          President George W. Bush, February 8, 2004

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          • #7
            Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Aug 21 2005, 11:09 PM
            We'd better call the whole thing off. This is too hard for us.
            You have finally seen the light!

            Building democracies is too hard for us.

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            • #8
              Learning a new technique only implies that it wasn't learned previously. Not that it couldn't have been learned previously.
              "AQ learns new terrorist technique"

              Yeah, stop the presses.

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              • #9
                Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Aug 21 2005, 11:37 PM
                Learning a new technique only implies that it wasn't learned previously. Not that it couldn't have been learned previously.
                "AQ learns new terrorist technique"

                Yeah, stop the presses.

                They've learned how to land the planes now.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Aug 21 2005, 11:37 PM
                  Learning a new technique only implies that it wasn't learned previously. Not that it couldn't have been learned previously.
                  "AQ learns new terrorist technique"

                  Yeah, stop the presses.
                  Oh wait, there's more. Imagine that, Reggie pretends to be myopic for clown points. They learned it in Bush's self-made "battleground on terror" and are now killing more US soldiers back in the mysteriously forsaken battlefront in Afghanistan.

                  And your clown points do not negate the fact that now more soldiers are dying in Afghanistan.
                  No president wants war. Everything you may have heard is that, but it's just simply not true
                  President George W. Bush, March 21, 2006

                  I'm a war president
                  President George W. Bush, February 8, 2004

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by mw.2@Aug 22 2005, 08:56 AM
                    And your clown points do not negate the fact that now more soldiers are dying in Afghanistan.
                    People die in war.

                    Get over it.

                    When governments go to war, the true intentions of its ministers in going to war are always clearly laid out in speeches and editorials published by the NY Times.

                    So get on board, traitor!

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                    • #12
                      And your clown points do not negate the fact that now more soldiers are dying in Afghanistan.
                      Gosh, imagine that. And all this time I thought it was going to be a shutout.

                      Exactly what are your expectations of "war," anyway? As long as we're in almost ANY Middle Eastern country, for ANY reason, there are going to be those who are going to try and kill us. Is this news to you?

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Aug 22 2005, 09:30 AM
                        And your clown points do not negate the fact that now more soldiers are dying in Afghanistan.
                        Gosh, imagine that. And all this time I thought it was going to be a shutout.

                        Exactly what are your expectations of "war," anyway? As long as we're in almost ANY Middle Eastern country, for ANY reason, there are going to be those who are going to try and kill us. Is this news to you?
                        More clown points for Reggie. The point is that the enemy is now better prepared to kill our soldiers because of the mess that is Iraq. The mess that is Iraq is your administration's doing. I know you understand this, but I also understand that clowning and misdirection are two of your favorite "debate" tactics.
                        No president wants war. Everything you may have heard is that, but it's just simply not true
                        President George W. Bush, March 21, 2006

                        I'm a war president
                        President George W. Bush, February 8, 2004

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                        • #14
                          Oh, bullshit. Blaming AQ "learning" a technique on the Iraq war is like blaming the bar for an alcoholic taking a drink. AQ kills people. That's what they're for.

                          There are plenty of legitimate complaints to be made about Iraq. You don't need to resort to stupid, inane shit like this.

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Reggie Cleveland@Aug 22 2005, 09:21 AM
                            Oh, bullshit. Blaming AQ "learning" a technique on the Iraq war is like blaming the bar for an alcoholic taking a drink. AQ kills people. That's what they're for.

                            There are plenty of legitimate complaints to be made about Iraq. You don't need to resort to stupid, inane shit like this.
                            Tell that to the CIA.

                            They were the first to report that we are creating better trained, more efficient killers than the Soviets did when we supported Bin Laden in Afghanistan.
                            Damn these electric sex pants!

                            26+31+34+42+44+46+64+67+82+06 = 10

                            Bring back the death penalty for corporations!

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